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Case 580 SE, weak/no foward, reverse fine.

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Pete in central

02-21-2005 14:30:12




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Case 580 SE w/shuttle, worked fine and strong.. Developed a leak and ran low on trans fluid, didnt realize anything was wrong until it wouldn't move. Fixed Leak, drained TC, dropped shuttle pan, cleaned screen, flushed as best as could trans cooler. Fluid looked dark grey/metallic, with < 1tea-spoon fine metal flake, no chunks.
Re-assembled... When put into gear,seemed to grab good into reverse, but a bit more gentle in foward. It could still spin tires foward going into a pile, but with a little stutter to the torque. after about 2 hours, lost all but a little bit of foward (best drive at idle), but reverse is seemingly perfect. Clues? Please Advise
Pete

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agri_con

02-22-2005 04:58:44




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 Re: Case 580 SE, weak/no foward, reverse fine. in reply to Pete in central Va, 02-21-2005 14:30:12  
Very common prob,it's a Borg_Warner trans also known as a velvet drive.First drain the shuttle oil and remove the trianglur pan.Inside theres a magnet to catch the steel particles-if steel is found usually means the forward clutch piston return spring broke-very common-with this causes slipping and clutch pack disc destruction,of which you'll see alot of fiber like debris.If alot of aluminum is found it could be in the converter,but usually causes both forward and reverse to go.On an E its easy to change converter anyways.Converter rebuild kits are available aftermarket very reasonable I use a place in ohio called Northeast components.As far as rebuiling a press is needed for the forward clutch-nothing critical and can be done other ways.Specail attention has to be made to the large snap rings inside forward clutch as they are sized for certain areas,and some have color codes.I've lost count on how many of these I've done.Please take note to completly flush system,including cooler,most converters have a plug located on them for draing too.help this helps

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Fare D Smiddlin

02-21-2005 17:40:59




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 Re: Case 580 SE, weak/no foward, reverse fine. in reply to Pete in central Va, 02-21-2005 14:30:12  
You are probably still low on fluid. Use only hytrans fluid from case and check/fill while running in neutral.

Those marks on the dipstick are pints not gallons.



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Pete in central Va

02-21-2005 18:44:41




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 Re: Case 580 SE, weak/no foward, reverse fine. in reply to Fare D Smiddlin, 02-21-2005 17:40:59  
Thank you for the advice, This was the first run since the flush, I checked the fluids warm, in 4th+neutral as the manual said. then after 20 mins light duty, then hourly to make sure it was not leaking anymore. Level was good all day. It went foward ok, and had some decent power, but not the regular "climb the tree" I'm used to from a 580 series. It did have a bit of stutter to it, kinda like it wanted to jump from decent to full power. Then with a presistant foot all the way on the accelerator while pushing some dirt, it jumped and made me proud. It spun the tires if the dirt wouldn't move. It remained really strong for say 45 mins with no stutters, then suddenly, but gradually (over 15 mins) lost all its guts. When you put in foward, it would give a little nudge, but as I r.p.m. up, it just gave up, less torque to the wheel. It actually still can creep along at idle on level ground, but cant even slide the bucket on the ground , but Reverse is OK. I wonder if I didn't toast the foward clutch-pack in the shuttle the first time the fluid got low. The old fluid seemed to have quite a bit of color/friction solids to it.

Is the shuttle a PIA to rebuild (less the PIA to get it out of the tractor), do I need crazy tools and presses and gauges? Do I also R&R the torque conv., charge pump, etc.? Shotgun style, replace the whole thing ;-) ?

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1985 580 Super E 4x4 cab just acquired, I was going to be an operator, not a mechanic

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-Pete

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