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rgorange

02-13-2005 13:11:09

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First of all I want to say thanks to those of you regulars on this forum. I the read the posts every day and thoroughly enjoy them. Last summer I found the SC that my grandfather bought new in 1949. I could have found one in better shape (it looks like it has not been in the shed for a day since 1965). But I spent many hours on this one as a kid so if I am going to restore one this is it. It had traveled over 100 miles away and coincidently, was less than 15 miles from my brother's place in southern MN (I am in Indiana now). So I had it hauled there and they dragged it into the shed with another tractor. The rear end is locked up (might be just brakes). The back rims are so badly rusted that one came off of the hub as they dragged it. So I am looking forward to a complete rebuild some day when I have a place where I can work on it and can move it there.

My question for someone who has had a similar experience is how to get it loaded on a trailer? Even if I get the rear end unstuck, I don't think I want to roll the tractor on the hub. I am thinking maybe I should find a straight axle/wheel assembly from some old trailer... cut the axle so that it is about 4' wide or so and weld it back together. Then mount this home-made dolly under the rear end of the SC with the wheels inside the tractor's hubs (SC rear wheels would then be off the ground). Then park the trailer in an appropriately sized ditch so that the SC can be rolled straight on. What do you think?

Or would it be better to lift the rear end and move it that way? Will my bother's IH M with front end loader lift it? I am inclined to think not. At around 4200 lbs, I suppose the rear end of the SC is around 3000 lbs or so. If I do it this way; can I move it around the shop with a pair of automotive dollys? Those are only rated for 1000 lbs. Anybody ever done that?

Advice appreciated. Thanks,
rgorange

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Campbell

02-14-2005 06:50:30

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Re: Moving SC with rear end locked up in reply to rgorange, 02-13-2005 13:11:09

Hey RG- keep us all posted on what the cause finally turns out to be. I'm still betting on rear end ice, since I was moving mine in the late summer/fall as well. It seemed pretty nice outside to me, but i guess it was just lots of non antifreeze water, cold nights and the sun wasn't shining down between those rear wheels???
And you're absolutely right- you'd think someone would change the oil- at least maybe once. Good to know your SC is headed back to a home where someone will.

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Thaden

02-14-2005 04:48:35

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Re: Moving SC with rear end locked up in reply to rgorange, 02-13-2005 13:11:09

where in Indiana

Thaden in NW IN

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rgorange

02-17-2005 19:34:32

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Re: Moving SC with rear end locked up in reply to Thaden, 02-14-2005 04:48:35

Thaden.... Just NE of Indy
You?
What kind of tractors do you have?

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02-13-2005 19:46:59

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Re: Moving SC with rear end locked up in reply to rgorange, 02-13-2005 13:11:09

Hi,I believe it will be a while before you move it home. other options to consider is to get some Marvel mystery oil , pour in the cylinders , brakes, open drain plugs . to move it I would remove rear cover and cut the chains with a torch (new ones dont cost that much)

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rgorange

02-13-2005 20:14:57

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Re: Moving SC with rear end locked up in reply to PR, 02-13-2005 19:46:59

Thanks PR.
You"re right. It may be a year or more until I start the restoration. I will get some Marvel Mystery oil and put in cylinders and brakes next time I get up to MN... can"t hurt.

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Dug G.

02-13-2005 16:08:06

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Re: Moving SC with rear end locked up in reply to rgorange, 02-13-2005 13:11:09

I agree with EB on loosening the hubs and letting it roll that way. As for moving it around the shop, we had a SI that had locked up, and we put a pretty heavy duty furntiure doly under one wheel, and a mechanics creeper under the other. Somehow, they both held enough to get it moved to where we wanted it, though the creeper did eend up bent pretty bad. I think a couple auto dollys would probably hold it.

As for the rearend, I"d check and see if some ice hasn"t built up in it. I wouldn"t suggest moving if it is still icy, or if you have a busted roller chain (someone told me at one time that the chain would bind underneath a bull gear? against the housing and could bust out the casting). If its ice buildup, you could end up with some damaged gears or bent rails. the transmission cover is pretty easy to get off, so it may be worth checking before going to far with it. Good luck!

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Campbell

02-13-2005 13:51:58

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Re: Moving SC with rear end locked up in reply to rgorange, 02-13-2005 13:11:09

hey rgorange- just a thought. My DC had a frozen rear end as well- literally. Like you I was suspecting the brakes, but it turned out there was about five inches of ice frozen in the bottom of the rear end. Condesation while it sat over the years I guess. You couldn't see the ice from the top of the tranny since a nice layer of sludge/oil was floating on top of the solid ice block that had the chains and sprokets totally frozen up. DCTom told me he has cured this on occasion with a little fire under the rear end! Unfortunately I didn't figure out my problem till I pulled off the rear end cover. I think Toms solution is a lot smarter (grin). Anyways Once my ice was melted and drained out everything rolled fine. I guess the iron stays pretty cold, since things weren't frozen outside in the field yet, but they sure were inside that rear end.

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rgorange

02-13-2005 14:00:23

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Re: Moving SC with rear end locked up in reply to Campbell, 02-13-2005 13:51:58

Thanks.
It was in August when they moved it, so it is not frozen from cold. I may pull the trans cover off to have a look at the condition of things in there even if it is just the brakes. I suspect that the trans oil has never been changed. Would think one should do that every 50 years or so! rgorange

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John Saeli

02-13-2005 14:06:15

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Re: Moving SC with rear end locked up in reply to rgorange, 02-13-2005 14:00:23

Hey RG: I'm assuming it was in neutral, clutch disengaged. The problem could be a broken chain, just waiting to stuff itself through the bottom of the housing. Don't try to move it without picking the back end up.

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rgorange

02-13-2005 14:23:00

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Re: Moving SC with rear end locked up in reply to John Saeli, 02-13-2005 14:06:15

Thanks John. Yes, it was in neutral and clutch disengaged. I was not there when they moved it. I agree, a lot off things can happen dragging it. Most of them are not good!

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Old Eb

02-13-2005 15:30:35

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Another thought... in reply to rgorange, 02-13-2005 14:23:00

Since it sounds like you are going to need another rim anyway, you could put a replacement on and remove the keystock from the axle where it "engages" the axle/hub assembly, loosen the hub bolts a bit and let the hub rotate around the axle long enough to roll onto a trailer. Once on the trailer you could jack up one side at a time, rotate the wheel & replace the keystock so as to help secure the unit. It works - have done it that way myself.

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rgorange

02-13-2005 16:30:26

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Re: Another thought... in reply to Old Eb, 02-13-2005 15:30:35

Thanks Eb.
I'll keep that in mind. Although a new rim is a long way off. I may be able to temporarily use the old one if I do it that way. Thanks again.

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