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JGarner

02-13-2005 10:25:05

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I don't know about fantasies of going back to buy a new one, but I would like some opinons on buying an old one.

The more I read in this discussion forum, the more skeptical I am about my fantasy tractor. I am (maybe was) looking for a 53-55 SC to use and restore and use (in that order) on my retirement place.

My question: Is this a good decision? From what I read here Case is not at all worried about owners of older equipment. I read in one post about discontinuing gasket sets, head gaskets, something. How about other common parts, bearings, drive chains, sprockets, pistons, sleeves, rings, valves, etc? Should I be looking for a newer model;ie, 430/530, or just break down and go the Green or Red route, seems these companies still make parts. I really wanted to be Case loyal, but if Case is not loyal to owners then...

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C. Amick

02-14-2005 12:03:26

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Re: Further to back in time!! in reply to JGarner, 02-13-2005 10:25:05

I don't think restoring an SC will be a problem. I have 4 out of 5 of mine running now. What implements are you planning on using with the tractor? The SC may not be quite a versatile as the 430. You may even want to consider a 300 series. I have one of those as well. I also have a few red ones, but the Cases are just tougher.

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CASEPOWER

02-13-2005 15:41:24

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Re: Further to back in time!! in reply to JGarner, 02-13-2005 10:25:05

John Deere is more interested in the money that the sales make, then the restorer. As it stands, Case tractor collecting is growing fast. As long as there are folks like Don.L, John Saeli, Cambote, and others building new after market parts, Case will continue to increasing in popularity and value. I made a prediction 5 years ago that Case collecting would grow faster then any other. I can say with all honesty, that I was right. I myself have sold tractor parts for years and noticed the demand rise. I am currently a editor/writer of an Antique tractor magazine. I spend every day dealing with antique tractors in one way or the other. So take my advice and buy one while the prices are still cheap. The availability of after market parts has made it much easier to restore a Case then before. If you buy a SC, between John Saeli, Don L., and a few others, I promise you will find the parts, cheaper then a dealer, better guarantee, no restocking charge, much friendlier service, and delivery to the door. I would bet if you live next to one of them, they would even help you put it on. After my experiences with a local Deere dealer, I would prefer a root canal over another trip there

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todd hamilton

02-13-2005 14:44:59

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Re: Further to back in time!! in reply to JGarner, 02-13-2005 10:25:05

There are some compelling reasons to buy an SC if you want that size tractor: cheaper horsepower than red or green, probably better quality than red or green, rides better than red or green, easier to work on than red or green, steers easier than red or green, probably more versatile than red or green. I only gave $900.00 for my '44 SC - it still could use a good overhaul on the engine but the tin (including fenders) and paint job on it was excellent. I put new tires on it, converted to twelve volts with modern lights for safety, and added a blade on the mechanincal lift to plow snow. I have less than $2000.00 invested and have a good working tractor.

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Jerry W

02-13-2005 11:33:03

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Re: Further to back in time!! in reply to JGarner, 02-13-2005 10:25:05

The last people in the world to worry about when making a decision to buy an SC tractor or not is J I Case.

SC's are very reliable tractors and there were lots of them made. Many good people (on this board) will be able to supply you any parts and information that you may need - and one of the nice things about Case is they are not green.

Jerry

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L.Lamp

02-13-2005 11:25:48

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Re: Further to back in time!! in reply to JGarner, 02-13-2005 10:25:05

I have SC's and DC's. I started out wanting just "one", a '51 DC. Now I have 6 SC's and 4 DC's. Only one of them ran when I got them. I have been working on one or more since 1999 when the '51 DC was restored. All the SC's needed bearings, and cranks turned. Don Livingston, who frequents this board, helped with bearings, pistons and odd parts. Watching e-Bay helped find other things like mags, manuals, and guages. These are good tractors and once reconditioned will last another 40+ years. We have better oils now and the tractors will not be working day and night as they did when new. They were ruggedly designed and are easy to service when the need arrises. If you like and want a D or S series, buy one. It is real enjoyable to restore one of these to the grunt and muscle they origionally had or more. If you get stuck on something, someone here can help you out!

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John Saeli

02-13-2005 10:38:54

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Re: Further to back in time!! in reply to JGarner, 02-13-2005 10:25:05

Hey J Garner: You are correct, CASE could care less about those of us trying to preserve the CASE Heritage. They don't even care of their own Heritage themselves. But, there are many of us who do care & who provide parts that CASE won't. One supplier told me he expects to have sleeves & pistons this year. Bone yards are a source of supply. Go ahead & get that CASE, we'll help you restore it.

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dctom

02-13-2005 12:45:30

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Re: Further to back in time!! in reply to John Saeli, 02-13-2005 10:38:54

john; i dont quite agree with you about the case company, you get to know the ones up there like i have and they are real supportive, it is the old IH dealers that dont want to help case guy's but if you find a dealer that has a good parts man and he can find most of what you want and help find things that are no longer avaliable, tom

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John Saeli

02-13-2005 14:12:48

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Re: Further to back in time!! in reply to dctom, 02-13-2005 12:45:30

Hey DCTOM: After my conversation with that CASE lawyer last year, I have to differ with you, with the utmost respect of course. I work with an old CASE dealership, I also have my own parts books. More & more parts are "No longer Furnished". For instance, I needed 4th gear for a 970. Believe it or not, it is "NLF" by CASE. How 'bout a head for a pre '70 CASE?

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dctom

02-13-2005 18:12:21

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Re: Further to back in time!! in reply to John Saeli, 02-13-2005 14:12:48

john; i had a run in with thoes smart assed lawyers in 92 but called vp of customer relations and he took care of him, course i havent done anything with them for a few years and never was invoulved with the newer stuff, flambeau is my bag lol tom

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Campbell

02-13-2005 11:48:13

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Re: Further to back in time!! in reply to John Saeli, 02-13-2005 10:38:54

I'd say GO FOR IT. My DC was a total rust wreck complete with bullet holes, semi stripped, and left for dead by the river. In retrospect, it probably should have just been parted out. But with manuals from Rich Tworek at Case, Super nice and patient advice from DCtom, Electrolysis lessons from F-I-T and Parts from Don L and John Saeli, my Frankenstein DC is coming back to life. Hopefully it'll be complete and running as we hit summer. The parts are out there, its just taken a little extra searching on this forum and around the net. But I've had a ton of fun in that process and met a bunch of great people that I wouldn't know if I could have just run down to my local parts store. (nothing against the parts store guys - but they were already my friends.)
While I'd would love to see some Case corporate support like the green guys get, I think you'll find a sort of "underdog" pride among Case folks thats different from what the other brands have. Its really pretty neat, and if the SC is your favorite machine, don't be deterred. If a guy like me can revive a DC (its my first tractor), your SC can absolutely be done. best of luck.

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