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It's a Shame

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caseman-d

01-18-2005 20:30:24




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Since I have only been collecting tractors for maybe 5 years I think that it's a real shame that we think we have to resort to getting our parts out of the USA. The tractors I have were made in the USA and will always be USA made. It really burns my as* that people that who claim to be a true tractor collector/ restorers have to resort getting parts from outside of the USA not so much to restore their tractors but to profit from selling these parts. It saddens me to think that nice old tractor comming down the parade line was made in the USA but was restored using forgein replica parts.

It's bad enough that the half of the stuff we get from our dealers is made in some other country. We have copy right laws in the USA so protect indivduals and company's from stealing others ideas and profiting from them. So what happens is these greedy people make arrangements to have the parts made in another country. It's a shame that we have to turn to other counties even for our antique tractors. Where are our morals? Ask yourself the next time you get a part "Is that part made in the USA". Where is this part made at?

I hope these people that sell this forgein stuff chokes on it. I know I have lost respect for certain individuals on this forum. It makes me wonder why ytmag allows these individuals to even post here. I have known others who were banned. This is my own feelings and have opened my email so you may respond to me vs here on the forum. For those I have offended I am truly sorry. Just an American expressing his opion. caseman-d

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Paul f

01-20-2005 09:09:55




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to caseman-d, 01-18-2005 20:30:24  
srue isn't any promise of quality. Just got a voltage regulator from TISCO for my DC says made in USA. Took it to my generator guy to install on the generator he rebuilt and the regulator wouldn't regulate charged full out all the time...so we try again. Obviously I would prefer USA made but if they don't work...



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Howard H.

01-19-2005 22:35:32




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 Re: It's a Shame in reply to caseman-d, 01-18-2005 20:30:24  

I'm 100% American and very proud of it and extremely thankful.

I'm part Cherokee Indian and part descended from European immigrants.

What makes you think "American" companies have an eternal right to everyone's business no matter the price?

American came to lead the world through hard work and ingenuity and by beating the competition. Not by sitting around whining about someone else showing initiative, or wringing their hands that foreign goods might be better/cheaper, or closing the borders and sticking their heads in the sand as to how they stacked up against the rest of the world.

American workers better wake up to the fact that they have to continually prove themselves and can't rest on what has happened in the past.

Aside from that, I wonder what most Americans would do if they were stuck in the poverty and want of many foreign peoples.

I have 4 kids and the thought of ANY kid growing up with no hope beyond a subsistence living makes me cringe.

What are the morals of a person who would want to deny opportunity to kids in that situation?

From what I've heard of the work of Camboted, I think it's marvelous and wish him all the luck in the world!


My two cents worth,
Howard Henderson
Stratford, Texas

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dbb62

01-19-2005 13:23:01




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 Re: It's a Shame in reply to caseman-d, 01-18-2005 20:30:24  
Caseman - you are right about using US providers when and where available and affordable. Unfortunately, those are few and far between these days. I lament the fact that so many trades have been lost to other countries because our culture told young people that those jobs were beneath them. Show me one American carpenter, welder, mechanic, electrician etc. and I'll show you 10,000 computer geeks who never did a hard days work in their life. But if another depression ever hits this country, it won't be the tradesmen looking for work. What Camboted is doing is not only American free enterprise in it's purest form, it is supporting other people, helping them develop a sense of worth while learning a skill, and will pay huge dividends for those orphans while helping put a few fenders on old Case tractors over here. Every old-timer I ever talk to about Case says the same thing. Great engineers, terrible management - great product, no long term vision. If Case corporate had minded their store they would not be in the sorry shape they are in today without the infrastructure to service all their old product lines. Anything Deere you want, you can buy, not Case. They threw it all away a long time ago, and that is the real tragedy here, not a few orphans and one committed veteran trying to make a better life.

Camboted, thank you for your service to our country and for your continued service in the mission field. - God Bless

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Dale(MO)

01-19-2005 14:15:32




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 Re: It's a Shame in reply to dbb62, 01-19-2005 13:23:01  
My sentiments exactly!!!! At the risk of tooting my own horn, I RARELY meet anyone under the age of 40 these days who knows how to do hard, physical labor. I grew up in my dad's machine shop, learned to weld when I was 10 or 11, was running a cable drilling rig when I was 16, an equipment operator/dump truck driver at 20. About the most modern tool we had on the rig was a chain hoist, but we hardly used it as it took longer than if we just picked the stuff up and loaded it by hand. We ran the rig daylight-dark, and usually worked on our "junk" afterward (if it held together that long). Excavating was the same way. Sundays and holidays meant nothing, if there was work to be done. That's just the way it was done. By the way, I'm only 32.
My reason for all this rambling is that work ethic in this country (giving and honest day's work for an honest day's pay) has taken a real downturn to my line of thinking. No one wants to do manual labor - as you said, it's DEMEANING! And (I think), because of this change of mindset, no one wants to fool with the old stuff. New things are too easy to get - just put it on the ol' plastic. Pride has taken a backseat to price, and we are certainly paying for it. It's a shame. I don't like buying foreign either, but that's what it's boiling down to nowadays. Like everyone else, I grit my teeth and do what I have to. I hope it changes, but I won't hold my breath. BTW: I run antiques on a daily basis. I have a 1974 Peterbilt tandem dump truck that I put 80,000+ miles a year on hauling asphalt, and a 1961 Allis Chalmers HD3 highlift that I'm almost through rebuilding, to use for light excavating. So, trust me, I feel the pain too. Thanks for letting me ramble a little, and have a nice day!

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Grapefarmer

01-19-2005 12:30:24




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 Re: It's a Shame in reply to caseman-d, 01-18-2005 20:30:24  
This is not a Case issue, this is an American issue. We need to make it where business not only make money, they can make BIG money. This is what I think should be done. 1st) no tax on business. 2nd) Tariff on imports. 3rd) no tax on monies gained on interest. Let the genie out of the bottle and this county is unstoppable. (My 2 cents)



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Augie

01-19-2005 10:11:28




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 Re: It's a Shame in reply to caseman-d, 01-18-2005 20:30:24  
My suggestion would be to stop whining and start making parts if you don"t like the way things are.



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Coloken

01-19-2005 07:24:13




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 Re: It's a Shame in reply to caseman-d, 01-18-2005 20:30:24  
Caseman, I and I am sure others agree with you. Don't want to sound like we are jumping on you cause you are right. But the real world is some thing else. I will just shed a tear and think of the good old days when a Case dealer was a good friend and not a rip-off; for a part that has set on his shelf for 40 years. Example: 300 exhaust manafold-400. oil pump-800.



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ACEd

01-19-2005 06:32:03




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 Re: It's a Shame in reply to caseman-d, 01-18-2005 20:30:24  
I agree its a shame - but do you own a TV - how about a computer - how about a car or truck - how about a new JD tractor? It is a shame the cost of producing something in large quantities such as the above can not be justified in business terms in the USA - TV's went out of US 30+ years ago, I used to custom build PCs - even in the late 80's everything was from offshore, best US involvement was some components assembled here - autos most everything even GM, Ford, Chrysler is large % non-domestic - some Honda's and Toyotas actually have more American (yes American, not USA) content than GM's and Fords such as Crown Vic which was assembled in Virgin Islands by FoMoCo decision because of Govt CAFE requirements - as I understand it lots of JD tractors built offshore (by Yanmar?)- so why should collector be forced to scrounge or beg US sources who are not interested in low volume productions.

I say if YOU build me a set of authentic Case VAS fenders at a reasonable price or an out of production manifold or any other unavailable AC or MM or MH parts I will be happy to buy them - until then if I find a good quality repro from offshore you bet I'll buy them. Best. Ed

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Jim B

01-19-2005 18:38:27




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 Re: It's a Shame in reply to ACEd, 01-19-2005 06:32:03  
Not to get off the Forum subject ... but to set the record straight !!! Ford does not make the Crown Vic in the Virgin Islands. No Ford assembly plant exists in St. Thomas, Virgin Islands. However, there is a plant, built in 1968 to assemble the Maverick, in St. Thomas, Ontario Canada. The Crown Victoria & Grand Marquis have been built in St Thomas by the CAW union folks since the early 80's, long before the EPA created the great CAFE law. Sorry for the diversion.

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John Saeli

01-19-2005 05:17:12




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 Re: It's a Shame in reply to caseman-d, 01-18-2005 20:30:24  
Hey caseman; Look @ the facts. Companies like CAT & Deere recognize the fact that collectors want to keep the old Iron going, and supply those needs. CASE on the other hand, will not supply the parts we need. I tried to get certain guages made here in the USA.,not now available anywhere. I needed permission from CASE. The 1st words from the lawyer @ CASE to me were "Who do you think you are?". His 1st response to me was "NO"!. After pleading, he would sell me the permission. The guages would have cost me over $50.00 each. Who can afford that? Try restoring an SC. I was told yesterday that CASE is "Retiring" Head Gaskets for the SC. You can't even buy a head for a 730 or 930. I have been searching this Country for 15 years for a Fender Maker. The cost was unaffordable. CamboTed has come through for us. The bottom line is this, We all want a good looking Restored CASE Tractor. CASE will not help. The US Manufacturers are overpriced. What are we to do? American Labor has kept up with their wages & Benifits, but U.S. Grain Prices have not kept up. Beans were $6.00 in 1975. Today they are less than $5.00. Go figure.

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John Saeli

01-19-2005 05:47:33




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 Re: It's a Shame in reply to John Saeli, 01-19-2005 05:17:12  
Let me expand on the Guage Fiasco.. 2 Manufacturers here in the U.S. flat out said "NO". "We can't help you." The 3rd Manufacturer I contacted said they could do it, but I needed the permission. The Lawyer @ CASE would not return my repeated calls. Finally after 2 weeks he answered his phone. This search, from start to finish lasted over 8 months. Is it any wonder why we go overseas?



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mike's600

01-19-2005 17:32:26




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 Re: It's a Shame in reply to Camboted, 01-18-2005 21:34:40  
Hello, the first topic i would like to talk about is your service.I thank you for your service to our country . I think you are doing a good helping those kids learn a trade.

The only problem i have is the production of your cheap parts for re-sale in the USA. Every part your kids are making can be made in this country.
You are taking advantage of the cheap labor , lack of government oversight, example: EPA. OSHA, IRS, minimum wage laws, social security withholding, state and local tax code. I do not know how old the kids are, but we have to deal with child labor laws. I think you would have a hard time producing your parts cheaply under these constraints .

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other Will

01-19-2005 04:03:56




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 Re: It's a Shame in reply to Camboted, 01-18-2005 21:34:40  
AMEN!!!



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L.Lamp

01-18-2005 21:06:38




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 Re: It's a Shame in reply to caseman-d, 01-18-2005 20:30:24  
Ok Caseman, this is a forum and it is a topic that deserves discussion, pro or con. I have been able to find American made new parts for my tractors so far, but they are slowly drying up. When that happens, what then? I have used used parts for some of my rebuilds, and I have used remanufactured bearing shells in my SC's. I am thankful for being able to find a place to do this. I have been told by the auto supply houses that Japan has invested heavily in ALL of our engine bearing companies and they don't want to bother with low volume production runs. These companies are Corporations who are supposed to make money for their stockholders. These stockholders sell to other stockholders in order to make money on their share of the company. They don't care about the company or the product, just making money. It's going to continue until some day you and I will get a notice to move because the USA has been sold. The hand writing is on the wall. Look at the auto companies and the oil companies for a quick look at the road we are going down.

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mattb43

01-20-2005 10:01:59




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 Re: It's a Shame in reply to L.Lamp, 01-18-2005 21:06:38  
This is an interesting thread. On the one hand folks complain about how management has done a bad job keeping the CASE company going. And in the same breath complain that they can't be bothered with making or licensing 40 year old tractor parts that maybe 5 people in the world would ever want to buy. Then we say what great patriotic Americans we are and ignore the fact that our government is based on the free market system and that it is very healthy to foster competition. Just because we don't make tractor parts here in the USA doesn't mean that we are all going down the tubes. We have the least amount of poverty in the world, have a very robust economy that can adjust pretty quickly to changing conditions, and we are able to help other countries advance through hard work and trade. I'm pretty happy that I work in a company that sells many millions of dollars worth of computer servers to Japan, China, and other countries. And I'll buy parts from wherever I can get good quality at a good price. It's my patriotic duty. If some poor kid in Cambodia made these parts, GOD BLESS THEM. I'd much rather see that, then see our Govt sending them $200 Million in foriegn aid to keep them from starving (and upping my taxes to do it). Hanging around whining and pining about the good 'ol days is NOT the American way. Getting off your a** and figuring out how to kick the crap out of the competition with our vast resources and talent IS the American way. NOW GET OFF THAT DARN COMPUTER THAT SOME COMPUTER GEEK MADE AND GO TO WORK!!

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