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Case 580 ck power shuttle problems

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Stxjdt

11-19-2004 19:12:57




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My tractor is making a strange noise up at the transmission filter. Tractor will not move in forward or reverse. I have changed fluid and filter. I found filter to be collapsed. I drove tractor after this, it was parked for a week and it has since been making the strange noise and will not move. Any one have any suggestions?




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Roger (Mi)

11-21-2004 08:43:06




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 Re: Case 580 ck power shuttle trouble shooting in reply to Stxjdt, 11-19-2004 19:12:57  
You are well advised to purchase a �Service Manual� from a Case Industrial dealer. While it is not cheap, the trouble shooting guides and illustrations make it worth every dollar.

There are two types of power shuttle drives used by Case for the 580, Twin Disc and Rockford. Trouble shooting both are basically the same.

With clean oil, filters, proper oil level, and clutches are NOT transmitting full power:

1) Lubrication valve stuck open a. contamination or wear in spool area causing hang up.

b. regulating valve spring broken or improper tension. c. poor register between clutch hub and piston carrier.
2) Clutch dump valve stuck open a. contamination or wear in spool area causing hang up. b. regulating valve spring broken or improper tension.
3) Low oil pressure a. worn out or malfunctioning oil pump. (180 psi engagement) b. clutch pressure regulating valve out of adjustment (40 psi lubrication)
4) Piston outer sealing rings scored or wedged in piston grooves � oil contamination.
5) Oil pressure NOT being applied to the whole piston area � contamination in the oil transfer orifice holes between the primary and secondary clutch piston areas.
6) Opposing clutch NOT dis-engaging when shifting to the other � opposing dump valve and lubrication valve stuck closed.

The converter and lubrication oil regulator valve is located near the center of the torque tube cover and is held to the cover by two bolts. The converter oil temperature sensor is also located on that regulator valve. The valve spool is in that small casting behind a snap ring and retaining plug. The spool MUST move smoothly in the bore. The valve spring (uncompressed) should measure 1.375� and have 10-12 lbs. pressure at a .75� (compressed) height.

The clutch pressure regulator valve is located between the two spools on the control valve body. The regulator valve spool is behind a screw-in plug with shims to adjust the clutch pressure. The spool MUST move smoothly in the bore. The (uncompressed) length of the clutch pressure spring should be 2.04� and have 45 lbs. at 1.344� (compressed) height. The clutch pressure should be at or near 180 psi. There is an oil pressure test port (pipe plug) located on top of the control valve. Adding a .0209 shim will increase pressure by 5 psi. A .0418 shim will increase pressure by 10 psi. Likewise, the removal of a shim of each specific size will reduce pressure by the stated amount.

You should now have enough information to find the cause of the problem. Good luck.

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Mick

11-21-2004 15:06:08




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 Re: Case 580 ck power shuttle trouble shooting in reply to Roger (Mi), 11-21-2004 08:43:06  
A simple question

I have a 580D CK, where do I find the filter for the transmission. I have just spent the weekend under it cleaning all the crap out so I can do some work without having a majour fallout land on me and I have not spotted any filter for the shuttle transmission.



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agri_con

11-22-2004 04:01:42




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 Re: Case 580 d ck power shuttle trouble shooting in reply to Mick, 11-21-2004 15:06:08  
The shuttle your referering too here has a suction screen in the bottoem,drain and remove the small pan it'll be right there.Alot of the factory installed magnets inside the pan to catch debris-this particular shuttle made by borg warner called the velvet drive beleive its a t2112 are noted for the forward clutch spring breaking apart,rebuild kits and other parts are available from a company in novelty ohio called North american components corp at reasonable prices.

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Stxjdt

11-20-2004 05:55:31




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 Re: Case 580 ck power shuttle problems in reply to Stxjdt, 11-19-2004 19:12:57  
Thanks, is there an easy way to check and see if the screen is plugged or the O rings on the pump are gone?



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Just Roy

11-20-2004 13:33:40




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 Re: Case 580 ck power shuttle problems in reply to Stxjdt, 11-20-2004 05:55:31  
no easy way other thanput a flowmeter in line with the filter lines and see what the flow from the pump is and see if it is gstting air. If you do not have access to a flow meter you will have to raise the cover enough to get the bolts out and remove the pickup tube and pump. If the filter was tore up it is possible that part of it got pushed into the control valve and is plugging a port or two.

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Just Roy

11-19-2004 19:36:33




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 Re: Case 580 ck power shuttle problems in reply to Stxjdt, 11-19-2004 19:12:57  
Sounds as if the suction screen on the pump pickup is either plugged or o-ring under either suction tube mount or one under pump is gone.



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Daniel Rice

01-08-2008 18:51:33




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 Re: Case 580 ck power shuttle problems in reply to Just Roy, 11-19-2004 19:36:33  
MY 1970 something Case 580CK Backhoe has problems when the transmission oil gets hot it stops working. It has the Rockford clutch pack in it. I replaced the sheered off key-way in the shuttle pump and I also cleaned the screen on the bottom of the pick-up tube. Somehow water got into the trans one winter when I went to move it I jerked the tractour w/ the hoe and I heard a loud snap from the trans afetr 2 years or more of sitting i started working on her and found the keyway to the shuttle pump was broke and the trans started working.But now i have no reverse and i have to wait 5 or ten minutes for it to warm up beforew she will move. Then after i start woking w/her the trans oil gets to hot for her to mo0ve forward or backward after I let it sit 10 minutes i can go forward again. Do any of you know what he problem is? Before the water got in the trans oil she ran great. I even tried 30 weight non-detergent oil in her and sill acts the same maybe i need to flush w/ desil fuel to clean her out real good? Any info will help!! I evenb got the manuals on her.

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duby

02-09-2008 21:45:54




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 Re: Case 580 ck power shuttle problems in reply to Daniel Rice, 01-08-2008 18:51:33  
Hey Daniel, I just read a thread from 05, seems to sound like our problem. I wish I knew mEL's address. here is the link just copy and paste in the browser
http://www.ytmag.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=case&th=82963



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Duby

02-09-2008 20:55:34




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 Re: Case 580 ck power shuttle problems in reply to Daniel Rice, 01-08-2008 18:51:33  
I have the same problem. It takes a few minutes for it to warm up and then it has some power to the wheels, But if I try to push some dirt, it quits moving at all. Turn it off for a few and it will move, but not with any power. Where did you locate a pressure guage for the clutch?
I changed the filter as someone earlier said, and it helped a little.
I have replace all of the springs and set up pressure shims for both clutch and shift spools, cleaned and adjusted the spool stop.

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Busted knuckle

02-06-2008 16:10:41




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 Re: Case 580 ck power shuttle problems in reply to Daniel Rice, 01-08-2008 18:51:33  

How's your pressure ? Have you removed the shuttle cover and inspected the shuttle pack ?



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Daniel Rice

02-08-2008 13:45:32




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 Re: Case 580 ck power shuttle problems in reply to Busted knuckle, 02-06-2008 16:10:41  
I instaled the pressure gauge for the clutch and @ an idle the pressure reads 140.WQhen i throttle up the machine the pressur goes down. Could the seals in the clutch pack be bad?



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daniel rice

02-07-2008 18:41:10




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 Re: Case 580 ck power shuttle problems in reply to Busted knuckle, 02-06-2008 16:10:41  
I removed the cover and the shuttle pack looks fine from what I can see. I just think from sitting and not being run in three years or so that the seals might have gone bad. I just recived my clutch pressure guage I just need to install it. I took out the plug on the side of the shuttle control valves and there is hardly anny pressure there. the sustion tube isn"t clugged i removed the tube and shuttle pump and cleaned them both. Maybe the o-ring under the pump is missing.

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