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Cal

07-19-2004 18:02:55




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I just recently put a new head gasket in my 530 backhoe and also got a valve job while the head was being inspected. Any way, I reassembled it an it ran fine, never had any blow by before. after i changed the oil and filter and started it , it ran for about a half of an hour when I noticed some smoke starting to come from valve cover breather, Its whitish colored, smells bad. Engine doesnt make any sounds, I have plenty of oil pressure(60) at idel, didnt have water in oil. What could be wrong, Is it something seriuos to worry about, how much smoke is ok. Thank you all in advance.

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GeoMo

07-20-2004 05:31:18




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 Re: smoke from breather in reply to Cal, 07-19-2004 18:02:55  
I am not disagreeing with larry. When you did the valve job the compression was increased and may be causing blow by the rings.



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Larry

07-19-2004 19:48:24




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 Re: smoke from breather in reply to Cal, 07-19-2004 18:02:55  
The foul smelling white smoke is from antifreeze. Either the head gasket is leaking or you have a cracked head, hopefully the former.



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Cal

07-20-2004 13:57:57




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 Re: Re: smoke from breather in reply to Larry, 07-19-2004 19:48:24  
The guy who checked the head said it was straight and free of cracks. Somebody also told me that I should retorque the head. Can anyone give me info on blow by and how I could tell if it was a more serious problem. Should I still operate it the same?



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Larry

07-20-2004 18:06:10




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 Re: Re: Re: smoke from breather in reply to Cal, 07-20-2004 13:57:57  
Cal,

In all engines, a certain amount of exhaust gas "blows by" the rings into the crankcase, hence the term "blow by". Excessive blow by is generally due to ring/sleeve wear, broken rings, or related problems. You're there and we aren't, but nothing you've said indicates to me that you have excessive blow by.

The concern is that the white acrid smoke you have described in the blow by is very strong evidence that antifreeze is entering the combustion chamber and being blown past the rings along with the more normal combustion gases into the crankcase and then out the breather. If in fact the head is okay, you almost certainly are leaking antifreeze along the head gasket. This is not the only possible source for antifreeze in the crankcase, but is by far the most likely under the circumstances. As GeoMo mentioned, if the valve job resulted in increase compression, you might have more blow by than before the head work, but this will not cause the white smoke in the blow by.

If in fact the white smoke is from antifreeze, you should also be getting some white smoke out the exhaust. This may be hard to see except in cooler weather, or may resemble normal steam from a cold exhaust, but smoke from antifreeze tends to dissipate much more slowly than steam and can sometimes still be seen after the engine is warmed up.

Antifreeze in the combustion chamber can score the cylinder walls and in the crankcase will eventually condense and mix in with the oil with serious results including bearing damage. I would not ignore this problem if the engine were mine.

If I were in your position, I would:

1. Carefully remove the head - disturb the head gasket as little as possible.

2. Check around each water passage very carefully to determine if the gasket shows any indication of leakage - carbon streaking from the sleeve toward the water passage, for example, indicates poor sealing.

3. Check to see if the gasket was installed properly - most have an up and down side.

4. If you don't find any evidence of a head gasket problem, I would take the head to a different shop to be checked for straightness and cracks, and also check the block surface.

5. If at this point you have still found no problems, I would check the calibration of the torque wrench and re-assemble with a new head gasket, making sure you meticulously follow the torquing sequence.

6. I personally never retorque the head unless the service manual specifically recommends doing so.


I suppose at this point you have nothing to lose by retorquing the head before you take it back apart, but I would be very surprised if that solves your problem. Good luck, let us know what you find.....

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Doc Larry

07-20-2004 18:09:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: smoke from breather in reply to Larry, 07-20-2004 18:06:10  
I see that more than one of us has this fine name (I'm new) , so I'll use the name above from now on.



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Cal

07-22-2004 14:04:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: smoke from breather in reply to Doc Larry, 07-20-2004 18:09:48  
Thank you very much for the reply, It really is very nice having pros like you to get answers from. I will retourqe the head, but will not expect it to cure the problem. I will post a reply when I have some progess. Thanks again. Much appreciated.



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