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HELP ! What is starting procedure for diesel 580C

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Rick Fedorchak

06-10-2004 08:21:15




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All, I've got a Case 580CK diesel that hasn't been run in 4-5 years. I KNOW FOR A FACT that it ran before. I'm wondering, what's the correct procedure for starting this beast, particularly now that it's been sitting for awhile ? I'm already planning on installing a new battery, and draining the old fuel and refilling with fresh. Any help here would be appreciated. Also, can anyone help identify what year this unit was produced ? Information is as follows:
Model # 580CK, Serial # 866430,
Transaxle # 2354591, Engine model # G188D

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Patrick

06-10-2004 10:19:37




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 Re: HELP ! What is starting procedure for diesel in reply to Rick Fedorchak, 06-10-2004 08:21:15  
Rick, I'm guessing that you have left off a digit from the end of you serial number. So, if it was actually s/n 866430X, it would be a 1970 model. Now as to starting it, there's really not too much special to do. Assuming the engine does still turn over and was not subject to rain coming down the exhaust, I would recommend changing the oil and filter. Next, with the battery installed and the injection pump in the 'stop' position (knob pulled out) I would crank the engine for about 15-20 seconds and then give the starter about 60-90 seconds to cool off. Repeat this about five or six times in order to pump oil back up into all the parts of the engine. After that, you should be ready to try and fire it up by pushing in the injection pump stop cable, and cracking the throttle about 1/3 open. Good luck.

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Rick Fedorchak

06-10-2004 11:40:13




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 Re: Re: HELP ! What is starting procedure for die in reply to Patrick, 06-10-2004 10:19:37  
Patrick, Thanks for the response. You are correct, I inadvertantly left a digit off the serial number. It should read 8664303. I checked the oil level, and it seems to be exactly on the "full" mark, so I'm assuming no water in the crankcase ( the exhaust has a hinged flap on top which I think keeps the weather out) I went out this weekend and bought a fresh battery, and just picked up a pair of new 2 gauge battery cables. While at the parts store I grabbed a couple gallons of Shell Rotella T 15w-40, which sounds like it should be correct for the diesel engine. I still have to pick up some filters. Any idea where to find the numbers I need ? I cannot find them in the CASE service manual. By the way, thanks for indicating the "on and off" positions for the injection pump. It's been so long I'd forgotten, and there are no markings on the dash. Truth be known, I would have guessed the opposite ..... If you have any other suggestions please feel free to pass them on. Tractors/Backhoes, etc. are way out of my normal realm, this is all new to me.

Rick

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Patrick

06-10-2004 20:50:56




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 Re: Re: Re: HELP ! What is starting procedure for in reply to Rick Fedorchak, 06-10-2004 11:40:13  
Rick, you are welcome for my suggestions. The oil filter is nothing special, and can be obtained at any auto supplier or even at most chain stores like K-Mart. My tractor has a Deutsch D534 oil filter right now, which will cross to other brands (I think it is a Fram PF2, but I'm not sure). The primary fuel filter is a NAPA #3165. If you have a power shuttle, the convertor filter is NAPA #1518. The main hydraulic filter (if your tractor is equipped with front end loader/backhoe) is NAPA #1760. When you get this machine running, you will like it. My 580CK is the same year and I won't give it up. Between the diesel economy of the 188 engine and the power shuttle, it is a truly manuverable/workable unit. These models have excellent serviceabiliy, moreso than later models of Case backhoes I feel, because they tried to dress-up the appearence and add more comfort features for operators in succeeding years.

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Rick Fedorchak

06-11-2004 11:48:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: HELP ! What is starting procedure in reply to Patrick, 06-10-2004 20:50:56  
Patrick, Thanks for the filter information. Wix has a really nice website, and you can look up their filters by entering a competitors filter number and/or looking up the filters by entering vehicle make, model, etc. The site address is:

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Thusfar I've come up with the following for our machines:

Oil Filters / CASE A146696, Fleetguard LF 3530, Deutsch D534, NAPA 1452, and WIX 51452

Primary Fuel filters / NAPA 3516, WIX 33516

Secondary Fuel filters / NAPA 3165, WIX 33165

The NAPA store is close by and has the filters in stock. My wife in on her way to pick them up as we speak. As soon as it stops raining maybe I can get going on this. Keep your fingers crossed and wish me luck.

Rick

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Rick Fedorchak

06-11-2004 08:27:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: HELP ! What is starting procedure in reply to Patrick, 06-10-2004 20:50:56  
Patrick, If the PF2 is a correct application, I believe that's an AC filter, not Fram. The filter on my engine is a Case A146696 spin on unit. The final fuel filter on mine is a Fleetguard FF138. The CASE manual shows two types of fuel filtering. Mine is the earlier type in which the final filter is open at both ends, and a cap with bleeder valve is mounted on the top ( the later type shows the bleeder as part of the filter itself) I'm assuming the bleed sequence before starting is to try and drain any moisture out of the tank, then bleed fuel out at the bottom of the filtering system, then bleed air out of the top of the filtering system ??? Let me know if you have any experience here. Thanks again, Rick

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Patrick

06-12-2004 10:41:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: HELP ! What is starting proce in reply to Rick Fedorchak, 06-11-2004 08:27:49  
Your fuel filtering system sounds the same as mine, and according to the operator's manual the bleeding sequence is as follows: 1. Fill fuel tank 2. Wipe clean the final filter housing top (this is the filter that sits above the other. 3. Open tank shut-off and wait a few minutes to allow filters to fill with fuel. 4. Open the bleed on the final filter and allow air to bleed out of both filters. When the bubble free fuel starts to flow, close the bleed valve and wipe the parts dry.

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Rick Fedorchak

06-12-2004 18:03:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: HELP ! What is starting p in reply to Patrick, 06-12-2004 10:41:48  
Patrick, SUCCESS !!! I attacked the backhoe today, step by step. First I drained the old diesel fuel (turpentine) into a container. Next I replaced both the primary and secondary filters. After that I put a couple gallons of fresh diesel into the tank, then opened the drain valve at the bottom of the primary filter housing until I got a bubble free stream of diesel. I capped that off, then opened up the bleeder at the top of the secondary filter until all the air was purged. I changed the crankcase oil and filter. I installed two new 2 gauge battery cables, one to the solenoid, and the other to one of the starter mounting bolts. I took the old diesel fuel and filled a spray bottle, then sprayed every moving joint on the bucket and backhoe I could find. ( I'll grease them later) I also cleaned off all exposed hydraulic piston rods. Anyway, I tried cranking the engine,.... no luck. I bumped the starter a couple times, and finally it started to turn over. After no more than 20 to 30 seconds it fired up!!!! ( even on the old fuel still in the fuel pump to injector lines) I probably let it run about a total of 2-3 hours, good enough to get it good and hot, circulate the oil in the engine, and drive off any moisture. I'm convinced the rather crude looking exhaust pipe "flap" was responsible for keeping water out of the engine over the past several years.
Probably the biggest problem I encountered was the wasps that had built a nest under the dash. I think I finally killed them off..... I ran the bucket and hoe through the paces, and drove it a little back and forth. I can't do too much because I live on a hill, and the brakes are non-existant. Brakes are probably what I'll attack next. That and I need to figure out how to fill/top off the main hydraulics for the hoe and bucket. I think that it may be a little low. Thanks for your suggestions, they really helped.

Rick

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