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830 re-update...a couple of questions

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brent

03-24-2004 20:14:51




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I think the last time I posted was a week and a half ago or so. We are in the process of getting an 830 deisel with COM going. We purchased a complete tractor, and had a donor tractor for parts already here.

We had found that the tractor had been overheated numerous times. We also found that the block counterbores were cracked on cylinders 1, 2, and 3. The cracks go halfway around the counterbores on 1 and 2. After consulting with one of the local machinists, we decided to use the engine block from the donor tractor. The donor tractor's block looks like it's in far better shape, and it's a whole lot less $$$ than stitching, welding, or any other tricks the machinist has.

We surmised that the cracks were caused by cold water being dumped into the radiator while the tractor was still overheated (in an effort to cool it, which it did too quickly). Anyone have experience with this kind of thing? Any other ideas as to what may have caused it?

The heads and block are at the machine shop. The block is being cleaned and blasted, then checked for line bore. The heads are being completely re-done, since they were overheated so much.

On the plus side, we learned that the tractor has 2 newer rear axles. The previous owner had unknowlingly driven it into a trench that the gas company had left uncovered/unfilled after they ran a gas line. So, I guess the gas company paid for two new rear axles, as at least one of them was bent.

So, from the donor tractor, we've used the seat, the front axle, engine block, COM pump, ... I sure am glad we have it! We are cleaning, sanding, painting, etc the tin from the donor tractor, in an effort to sell it. The dash, nose, centerpiece, and fan shroud are already posted on the auction.

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Bob/wis

03-25-2004 04:07:41




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 Re: 830 re-update...a couple of questions in reply to brent, 03-24-2004 20:14:51  
It is copmmon for the counter bores to get cracked. It just the age of the cast they tend to get teh sleeves pulled down in to the block more. That is why case sells shims to place under the sleeves to bring the height up above the block. Common practice around here is to cut out the old counter bore lager tehn nedds to be then a steel ring inserted, in this they cut a new counter bore. They they make sure all counter bores are at the same height the deck the block. I have a 830 block with 2 steel rings right now. Also got a 1030 with 2 counter bores out now. Another option is to take a 730 block and bore ti to take the 830 sleeces.
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Brent

03-25-2004 16:36:10




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 Re: Re: 830 re-update...a couple of questions in reply to Bob/wis, 03-25-2004 04:07:41  
We didn't really consider that an option, thinking that the rings weren't available! O h well - perhaps someone would want to do that on this "extra" block that we have.

The cracks are WAY too severe to just cut and shim - if the block is to be used again, something will have to be done with them.

That's good to know...



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Bob/wis

03-25-2004 19:19:17




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 Re: Re: Re: 830 re-update...a couple of questions in reply to Brent, 03-25-2004 16:36:10  
Yeap they cut out the block to almost the head bolts that are clsoes to the counter bore. The shop I use even said that the bore can be cracked to te bolt hole and still will be good a good steel ring there instead of the old cast. They say about 150 a hole to do the counter bores then surface the block or you can get a mobile unit in to do it at 750 just to drive in the yard
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Brent

03-26-2004 19:40:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 830 re-update...a couple of questi in reply to Bob/wis, 03-25-2004 19:19:17  
At $150 a hole, it's a lot chepaer than stitching. I think I heard something like $60 an inch, which would mean around $500 a hole for cylinders 1 and 2.

I think the decision to use my other engine block was a good one. It's still cheaper, and we'd be putting the same work into the block whether we swapped engine blocks or not.

But...your info means that perhaps the other block with the cracks in the counterbores isn't junk after all. That's good news for someone.

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