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Dave

02-12-2004 07:35:21

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Hello all,

I have just received a manifold for my Case SC "44" It came damaged in shipping, just a side line, to no ones fault but the people that ship our treasures across state lines, please when shipping parts by any delivery service, package them with the intent that it will endure the utmost in rough handling. Always package thing tightly and securely, to ensure safe passage.

Now for my question, has anyone ever taken the top off of a manifold, the part that the muffler attaches to. That is the piece that is damaged.
I am going to try to attach a pic

Maybe not I am to inept

Thanks for all answers.
Dave

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denise brain

02-13-2004 10:26:14

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Re: Case SC Manifold please help in reply to Dave, 02-12-2004 07:35:21

Help, I have a 1951 case sc tractor and am trying to locate an exhaust manifold for it , new or used the tractor has been in my husbands family since it was new, but needs restored, actually i am tring to sell it, but would like to replace this part if I could.

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george md

02-13-2004 20:04:42

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Re: Re: Case SC Manifold please help in reply to denise brain, 02-13-2004 10:26:14

Denise, If you don't find one ,send me a pict of the one you have , it's probably repairable . Further down this series of posts I put a link to some pictures of manifold repairs including an S manifold .

george

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Tom Railsback

02-12-2004 15:56:23

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Re: Case SC Manifold please help in reply to Dave, 02-12-2004 07:35:21

A trick I was taught about getting bolts out of cast iron

Drop a larger nut over the bolt head or nut and hit it with an arc welder. When it cools you sould be able to screw it right out.

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C. Amick

02-12-2004 09:19:04

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Re: Case SC Manifold please help in reply to Dave, 02-12-2004 07:35:21

I know what you mean about having stuff damaged in shipment. Those UPS guys have managed to somehow break a couple of things of mine that were made of cast iron. Are you sure the elbow has to be removed to have it repaired? Taking it off will probably require that the manifold be heated with a welding torch to get the bolts out. If you have to take it off, you may want to consider buying a new elbow. They can be had for $85 or less.

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george md

02-12-2004 08:46:54

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Re: Case SC Manifold please help in reply to Dave, 02-12-2004 07:35:21

Dave, Those elbows are quite repairable , I did one for one of my buddies that was almost beyond hope. Below is a link to pictures of it and some other cast iron repair .

>Link

>Link george

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walt

02-13-2004 18:27:09

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Re: Re: Case SC Manifold please help in reply to george md, 02-12-2004 08:46:54

That was a great repair. absolutly amazing work. I'm trying to guess the time here invested-I'll say 15 hours? close?

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george md

02-13-2004 18:46:16

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Re: Re: Re: Case SC Manifold please help in reply to walt, 02-13-2004 18:27:09

Walt, At least that much time. I got tired of listening to how great nickel arc is for repairing cast so I thought I would do one that is absolutely impossible
with arc as a example of what can be done with
oxy/acet cast iron rod . I get a lot of cast iron
jobs in to work on that the great arc welders have already created a disaster of and have to
grind out the nickel and redo the weld with acet
cast . george

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Dave

02-12-2004 11:04:41

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Re: Re: Case SC Manifold please help in reply to george md, 02-12-2004 08:46:54

George,

Very nice, I used to work at Falk corporation here in Milwaukee, we had access to those types of machines as repairmen, but new ventures took me away.

What that leaves me with is this, Do I try to get this one fixed, do I braze it myself(would it be strong enough), OR do I remove the elbow off of a spare one I have. It seems to be I have to figure what would be harder, drilling ant taping the old holes or brazing the old new one up.

What do you folks think about brazing would it be strong enough?

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george md

02-12-2004 11:35:47

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Re: Re: Re: Case SC Manifold please help in reply to Dave, 02-12-2004 11:04:41

Dave, The strongest and best repair on the elbow would be oxy/acetylene cast iron as the material
in the rod is nearly identical to the material
that you are repairing. Brazing is tolerable but
always looks like a cob job and bonding is never as strong as fusion . Arc weld is the absolute worst
choice and may fail before it even gets cool due
to the radical difference in expansion and contraction rate between nickel and cast iron. The prolonged heating and cooling from starting
and stopping of engine will eventually cause arc
weld to fail. If you want to ,send it here , I'll fix it and dig out the studs . The ups charge to and from will probably
be more than the repair . Also what is the matter with the other manifold?

george

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David811B

02-12-2004 10:29:40

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Re: Re: Case SC Manifold please help in reply to george md, 02-12-2004 08:46:54

Good work george, I have a friend with a nice machine shop, I go there on weekends and lunch hour and I fix the unfixable, My friend has shown me tons of stuff about setup and such. If you are restoring or refurbishing an old tractor find a local machine shop that is friendly and use them once in a while. I am not necessarily talking about automotive machine shop but a shop that makes parts and has lathes, mills, chuckers ect. My friend charges $25 an hour and fixes most things in the 1-3 hour range He doesn't have the mentalitly that you can't buy another part but tries to fix it as fast as possible. I am sure there are other shops like that around looking for work.-David

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Campbell

02-12-2004 09:23:19

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Re: Re: Case SC Manifold please help in reply to george md, 02-12-2004 08:46:54

Wow! nice work on Kelvin's manifold on your link. How many hours did you have into that thing? I'm guessing that kind of repair starts to get pretty expensive doesn't it? Gives me hope though to know that that level of decay can be brought back to life- especially when there are no junkyards closer than a full days drive.

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capt kirk

02-12-2004 08:21:02

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Re: Case SC Manifold please help in reply to Dave, 02-12-2004 07:35:21

i have taken the elbow off for repair. the hardest part tapping and rethreading the old bolt holes. i guess your lucky, if it broke any where else it may not be repairable.

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