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Could someone help me on an 830 diesel??

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DougG.

01-20-2004 19:31:07




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I need someone out there to measure how wide the rear tires are on an 830.(With the wheels all the way in.). 15.5x38. The reason for this is I own one of these wonderful units, but it is in my barn in south Texas. I am in Louisville Ky and I am buying a new trailer to move some other things up here. However, I would like to buy one wide enough to accomodate my tractor down there. There is no one down there with access to that building there to measure the wheel distance. HELP!
Thanks in advance DougG.

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JimmyG

01-22-2004 19:23:24




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 Re: Could someone help me on an 830 diesel?? in reply to DougG., 01-20-2004 19:31:07  
Doug, I do not beleive it will go between the fenders. You better not buy till sure. I'd bet money you need a deckover. Thats a heavy girl especially with extra weights probly 8000 or better.



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chad

01-22-2004 04:54:31




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 Re: Could someone help me on an 830 diesel?? in reply to DougG., 01-20-2004 19:31:07  
book says shipping weight new is 7000 for the regular 830 and 7750 for the 830 comfort king. that doesnt include loaded tires, weights or a cab. hope this helps



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INCase

01-21-2004 05:20:00




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 Re: Could someone help me on an 830 diesel?? in reply to DougG., 01-20-2004 19:31:07  
You'll definately need a good trailer and at LEAST a 3/4 ton HD truck to pull it. DON"T try anything less. we hauled my 730 on a heavy duty bulldozer trailer and it was all the 3/4 4x4 diesel wanted to try to stop if fact, to be safe it was more than it should have had for braking. as far as power it was fine. As far as wheels mine has spin out rims and the adjustable axles and I could get them in very tight. depends on your models options. NOTE: wheels that haven't been moved for a while can be fun to try to get busted loose. take the WD-40.

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crazycase

01-21-2004 02:31:54




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 Re: Could someone help me on an 830 diesel?? in reply to DougG., 01-20-2004 19:31:07  
Doug if you plan to haul your 830! You will need about a 10,000 lb GVW. Trailer. 8 ft. wide will be fine... crazycase



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DKase

01-20-2004 21:20:40




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 Re: Could someone help me on an 830 diesel?? in reply to DougG., 01-20-2004 19:31:07  
An 830 Comfort King will squeeze down to about 75" wide. You might be able to get an Eagle Hitch model a little narrower if the fenders are slid clear in. This is an educated guess without measuring. Mine is stored 1 1/2 miles away. LOL



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DougG.

01-21-2004 07:06:59




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 Re: Re: Could someone help me on an 830 diesel?? in reply to DKase, 01-20-2004 21:20:40  
I think that answers my question. I was trying to decide if a 82 in. wide (between fenders--kind of an industry standard) trailer was ok, or if I had to buy an open, over the wheel, 8 ft. trailer to haul it.(which for my other purposes was the least desirable because they sit so high off the ground)
thank you.



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Aaron SEIA

01-21-2004 14:51:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Could someone help me on an 830 diesel in reply to DougG., 01-21-2004 07:06:59  
I'd guess you will need an 8' deck over just to get the weight you'll need. My dad has an 830 CK diesel and I'd be scared to put it behind anything short of a 1 ton dually. Might want to look into having it hauled on a semi. If the trailer is a one time deal, it'd be cheaper and safer in the long run to hire it done.
Aaron SEIA



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DougG

01-21-2004 18:12:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Could someone help me on an 830 di in reply to Aaron SEIA, 01-21-2004 14:51:48  
Just how heavy is this thing anyway?? (mine has double wheel weights) I figured it was maybe 6000lbs.?? Everyone talks like I'm trying to pull a D-8 Cat.

DougG



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DKase

01-21-2004 19:22:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Could someone help me on an 83 in reply to DougG, 01-21-2004 18:12:59  
Depends on which 830 you have, it could be pushing 8000#. You would want a trailer a little heavier than a common car trailer. LOL



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Aaron SEIA

01-22-2004 05:45:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Could someone help me on a in reply to DKase, 01-21-2004 19:22:40  
You are closer to a D8 cat than you think. I put an Allis Chalmers WD on a car trailer and not only did I just barely fit between the fenders, but I had those 3500 lb axles sitting on the frame. All I know is, dad's 830 CK diesel would have bent that car trailer in half right over the axles. Wouldn't even try dads on his 16' gooseneck flatbed. I'd find out what the thing weighs for sure, but it's gonna take a deckover gooseneck or a deckover pintle hitch trailer and something pretty heavy out front to pull it safely.
Aaron SEIA

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DougG

01-22-2004 07:02:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Could someone help me in reply to Aaron SEIA, 01-22-2004 05:45:27  
I'm thinking about buying an 18-2 dovetail with 14,000 lb GVW, twin disc brakes. My truck is a factory equipped trailer toter rated for 12,000lbs.
The real problem for me was would the Case fit in
between the fenders (82in).



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cb

01-22-2004 09:24:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Could someone help in reply to DougG, 01-22-2004 07:02:54  
You will be fine. I pull a 700b on car hauler trailer with the little 3500 lb axials, but I go slow slow slow and not very far and I have 1 1/2 ton truck out front. (want to buy a "slightly" used trailer). The words, possible, can, should, and best practice all mean different things. But the 700b tires rub the fenders of the car hauler and have bent the frame.... As long as you have a 10,000 lb trailer and good brakes, and safety chains you will be fine. A deck over trailer is not required Folks today forget that Grandpa sold them case tractors in the 50's and pulled them home behind another tractor and on a hay wagon (no brakes, lights...) or used the old car to pull them. They were not going far and nuts were not on the road that will sue you... Oh the good old days.

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Neil Powell

01-23-2004 13:50:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Could someone in reply to cb, 01-22-2004 09:24:47  
I agree that as long as the trailer, the truck etc. are rated for the weight and the tractor fits you are fine. As an engineer by education, I am perpetually insulted by these folks that say you have to second guess the engineers that rate this kind of equipment.



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DougG.

01-23-2004 14:14:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Could some in reply to Neil Powell, 01-23-2004 13:50:12  
I understand. I'm in the same boat.
I've been designing and building things for people for years. I am amazed at the quantity of people that are either ignorant of,or choose to ignore, the laws of physics and chemistry.



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Neil Powell

01-23-2004 13:54:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Could some in reply to Neil Powell, 01-23-2004 13:50:12  
I just realized my previous comment might have mischaracterized what was actually said by others, so sorry if I got a little wound up. I'm still insulted on a regular basis, just not necessarily by anyone in this group. Time for another beer.



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hillcountrybill

01-23-2004 16:45:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Could in reply to Neil Powell, 01-23-2004 13:54:48  
I have a 830 in south Texas also but can't help with the width because mine is a wheatland type with 18.4 rears. If you should want to leave in S. texas I could give it a good home...



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