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VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake tube

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F-I-T

01-02-2004 15:19:13




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I need some advice. No matter how I try, the brackets for the A/C pipe don't seem to line up. If I put one on each side of the exhaust elbow bosses, it kicks the top of the pipe to the right. I can get close if I put both on the same side of the bosses (outside of the tractor?!?).

Any ideas? I'd like the a/c pipe to stand plumb.

Also, I saw many where the exhaust heat would burn of the paint, so I thought I'd try using heat resistant paint up to the curve of the pipe. If it holds up I think it looks kind of sharp.

Frank

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dctom

01-03-2004 12:45:57




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 Re: VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake tube in reply to F-I-T, 01-02-2004 15:19:13  
HI ALL THIS IS DC TOM, NOT AN EXPERT ON THE VAC SO I DONT KNOW, I ONLY HAVE ONE AND IT IS MADE TO MOW LAWN SO DONT HAVE AN AIR PIPE, NOW IF IT WAS A DC YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT I COULD HELP LOL SORRY I CANT HELP FRANK TOM



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G. L. Grumpy

01-03-2004 09:13:53




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 Re: VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake tube in reply to F-I-T, 01-02-2004 15:19:13  
I don't know these tractors well, BUT, on my SC, if you just turn the air tube with rubber loose, it changes angle alot. The end on cleaner stays same, the elbow moves about and changes the angle of tube. Also, my clamp parts were bent some, try to straighten them out in vise or such if "spread" too much. Also made diff if I flipped it over, as one end spread more than other. Tightening up will change it's manner also. What were they thinkin' when they made this rinky-dink set-up???

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F-I-T

01-03-2004 11:49:39




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 Re: Re: VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake tube in reply to G. L. Grumpy, 01-03-2004 09:13:53  
GLG:

I don't think the VAC's had a rubber joint in the air tube. Mine is an "S" curve, or maybe a split "S" from the can on up, one piece. That's what really complicates things.

Frank



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Jim Shephard

01-03-2004 08:31:38




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 Re: VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake tube in reply to F-I-T, 01-02-2004 15:19:13  
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Frank and All,

Getting in on this conversation a bit late...been out of town. For what it's worth this is a pic of the clamp on my '46 which shows it having the rib such at the one you are questioning...this one is the original...my Dad wouldn't throw anything away that could be patched! As you can see I need to find a source for a new one.

One thing I noticed different on your '50 is the shape of the exhaust manifold itself which may suggest there was a difference in clamps. Your manifold bows out away from the block whereas mine is straight across the top...may not mean anything. (I'll have to work on the this picture thing as I this is way too small..sorry!)

Jim Shephard

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F-I-T

01-03-2004 08:38:48




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 Re: Re: VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake tube in reply to Jim Shephard, 01-03-2004 08:31:38  
Jim:

Yes, I have the later manifold on this '50, but it had one that looked like yours (the early type). I went with the later manifold as they are the only ones you can find repro elbows for.

If you could e-mail me a bigger version of that picture, I'd sure appreciate it! I'm still trying to figure out if I have the correct tube as well. The combination of a wrong "S" curve and a too long or too short in length bracket will really make it hard to get the stack plumb. Wow, the things that give you trouble....

Frank
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Brandon

01-02-2004 19:06:02




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 Re: VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake tube in reply to F-I-T, 01-02-2004 15:19:13  
Our '49 VAC has a very different air intake braket (or at least what is left of it). There is not a stiffening rib. And it appears to be flipped the opposite way as your picture:

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todd hamilton

01-02-2004 19:15:24




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 Re: Re: VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake tube in reply to Brandon, 01-02-2004 19:06:02  
Your bracket looks to be shorter than Franks too. There must have been more than one bracket and/or air cleaner used in VAC production.



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F-I-T

01-02-2004 19:24:21




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 Re: Re: Re: VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake tube in reply to todd hamilton, 01-02-2004 19:15:24  
I'm beginning to wonder if I have an SC bracket and maybe an improper tube. There is no way to orient the tube to make it verticla AND have it fit anywhere close the where either a VAC or SC bracket would go.

On the bracket, it is (using dial calipers) 2 1/8" center to center vertical between holes, and 3.650" (a bit more than 3 5/8") in the horizontal. Maybe where the curves to cup around the pipes are where the difference between SC and VAC is.

Oy....

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todd hamilton

01-02-2004 19:41:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake in reply to F-I-T, 01-02-2004 19:24:21  
I really think that there were multiple versions of air cleaners for the VACs based on the pictures that I have seen tonight. Need one of the experts like dctom to clarifiy the right air cleaner and bracket for your tractor. Bear in mind that there were a lot of modification kits in the 50s for these old tractors. My SC has a distributor that looks very original but no SCs were ever built with anything except a mag.

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todd hamilton

01-02-2004 18:03:25




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 Re: VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake tube in reply to F-I-T, 01-02-2004 15:19:13  
I have read and can confirm from the service and owners manual on SCs that there were differences in the position of the outflow to the carb on air cleaners depending on what year it was made. Looked at two or three VACs on the YT tractor photos and looks like same story to me. Some of the later models have the elbow pointing to the rear of the tractor instead of 90 degrees to the side. Time for expert advice from dcTom. Also, can you bend the bracket slightly to plump the pipe? Bracket is probably iron and not possible to change shape. Maybe fabricate a new bracket that will hold pipe in proper position?

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F-I-T

01-02-2004 18:30:19




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 Re: Re: VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake tube in reply to todd hamilton, 01-02-2004 18:03:25  
Todd:

I think I might have to do just that. I can probably modify what I have until it gets plumb. I always seem to end up having to compromise the stuff that you can see when it's finished?!?

Ha!

Frank



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Mike Schotte

01-02-2004 18:48:01




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 Re: Re: Re: VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake tube in reply to F-I-T, 01-02-2004 18:30:19  
Don't compromise, Frank.... just find you a VAC bracket and send that pretty two color painted one over to me for my SC! (grin)

-Schotte



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F-I-T

01-02-2004 19:05:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake in reply to Mike Schotte, 01-02-2004 18:48:01  
YOU SIR !!!!! ,

are a true friend to offer a deal like that to me.....

I verklempt and overcome.....but I'd take that deal if you had a set of VAC plates!

Ha!



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todd hamilton

01-02-2004 18:44:51




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 Re: Re: Re: VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake tube in reply to F-I-T, 01-02-2004 18:30:19  
One thing about Case restoration is that I don't think they ever made two tractors exactly the same. They changed specs and vendors frequently with no particular scheme or logic to years, model numbers, serial numbers. They also used build sheets by serial number (dctom has most of them) to indicate how the tractor was built. When I got my SC I thought, well someone did away with the oil filter. On this board I learned that oil filters, lights, etc. were options that affected the delivered price of the tractor. For example, all of the pictures of early SCs shows one light on a fender pointing forward and the one on the other fender pointing to the rear. But my dad's '41 SC had both fenders with lights pointing forward and an additional light pointing back on the right fender. I am sure that they were original and I have never seen another SC with lights mounted in that fashion.

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Joe (Wa)

01-02-2004 17:07:05




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 Re: VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake tube in reply to F-I-T, 01-02-2004 15:19:13  
Frank,

Mine is 3" x 6-1/4".

Clamp straddles boss on elb.

Bolt holes are 2-1/4" & 3-1/2" ballpark per Mike measurement.

It does not have the strengthener (bead?) in the center nor is it shown in the parts book.

I have a short tube (VAO) so don't know how a VAC would line up.

Joe



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Ron in mid MO

01-02-2004 17:02:27




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 Re: VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake tube in reply to F-I-T, 01-02-2004 15:19:13  
on my 51 I came up with:
2 1/8 ^
3 5/8 >



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Tim

01-02-2004 15:24:01




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 Re: VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake tube in reply to F-I-T, 01-02-2004 15:19:13  
The bracket you have looks like an SC bracket.Some of the VAC brackets did not have the bead in the center they were flat, maybe they were also longer?



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F-I-T

01-02-2004 15:36:21




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 Re: Re: VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake tube in reply to Tim, 01-02-2004 15:24:01  
Tim:

First...Thanks!, next,

A-h-h-h-h-h-h!

Anyone have a dimension of bolt to bolt so I can measure what I have?

Frank



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Mike Schotte

01-02-2004 16:04:11




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 Re: Re: Re: VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake tube in reply to F-I-T, 01-02-2004 15:36:21  
Hi Frank,

I agree with Tim, it looks like an SC bracket to me. I don't have any VAC books to confirm or deny what they used on the VA series... but since it was made at a different plant than the SC- maybe they AIN'T the same!

Here's my SC manifold:
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Here's a not-so-great shot of the bracket itself:
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According to my handy-dandy measuring tape (not to NASA standards)... the bolt dimensions (for the SC bracket) are as follows so you can check against yours:

Centerline left to right = 3-5/8"

Centerline up to down = 2-1/4"

Hope this helps you figure it out, -Schotte

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01-02-2004 17:13:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: VAC Project: Trouble w/Air Intake in reply to Mike Schotte, 01-02-2004 16:04:11  
I'm going to change my centerline up to down measurement to 2-1/8" or 2-3/16"

The overall size of the SC bracket is 6-1/4" long X 3" high.

-Schotte



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