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T.J.-N.J.

11-28-2003 08:39:53




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I am getting ready to set up an electrolysis tank behind my garage, My question is will the Lye-Soda mix keep it from freezing, cold weather is coming and I don't want a fender sickle that I have to wait till spring to thaw out, I guess I could add a livestock water tub heater to it as long as it is plastic coated. Thanks for all the updates as you go with the VAC I really enjoy reading them. T.J.

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T.J.-N.J.

11-28-2003 13:45:33




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 Re: Electrolysis Question, for F-I-T or anyone els in reply to T.J.-N.J., 11-28-2003 08:39:53  
Actually I was curious if it would freeze while it was sitting idle in between uses. I don't want to dump it out everytime I am done, I don't want to put it in the cellar either and blow the house up! During winter is the only time I can really do something like this as the rest of the time I am to busy keeping everything running for everone else. T.J.



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F-I-T

11-28-2003 14:02:15




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 Re: Re: Electrolysis Question, for F-I-T or anyone in reply to T.J.-N.J., 11-28-2003 13:45:33  
TJ:

If you're conerned between uses, just hook up an extra electrode as a part to be cleaned, and keep the charger going. At 60 watts/hour. That's probably under $3.00 a month to keep it from freezing.

BTW, the absolute small amount of hydrogen that is given off is pretty much about an 1/8 of that given off while charging a battery. A little air circulation, and it would just blow away. I've intentially sent grinder sparks into my bath and finally after many tries, got the foam to go "pop". Not at all impressive. Sounded like a mouse trap snapping.

Also, you can float a half filled 2 liter bottle in it and if it freezes, the bottle will crush so the tank doesn't crack.

Frank

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Campbell

11-28-2003 09:48:13




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 Re: Electrolysis Question, for F-I-T or anyone els in reply to T.J.-N.J., 11-28-2003 08:39:53  
I once asked F-I-T the same question. In theory the current involved in the process should generate enough heat to keep things from freezing up like a small electric heater. But I haven't actually tested that out. As we hit Zero a couple nights ago I was glad to have my tank inside in the corner of the Garage. I've been running it there with no problems since its only giving off hydrogen and oxygen in small amouts- (i.e. the garage won't end up looking like the Hindenberg.) Good luck with your tank. I plumbed a plastic gerden hose bib in the lower part of mine as well for eventually emptying the tank- lot easier than the bucket brigade. You will be Really happy with how well this works, I couldn't believe it.
Stll F-I-T is the man on this process- what do you think Frank?

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F-I-T

11-28-2003 09:43:30




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 Re: Electrolysis Question, for F-I-T or anyone els in reply to T.J.-N.J., 11-28-2003 08:39:53  
TJ:

I have not experimented to determine the freezing point of either a dilute Washing Soda solution or a dilute lye solution. That said, if you have a 12 volt charger running 5 amps, you'll get some heat in the mix (depending on efficiency) comparable to a 60 watt light bulb. Even when it hit 15* here in N.Florida, I never had it freeze.

I can't say what temperature you will be safe to. I'd sure like to know myself, so if anyone out there in the great white north can fill in the data, I'll include it in my website info.

Frank

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Andy Waller

11-29-2003 19:45:56




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 Re: Re: Electrolysis Question, for F-I-T or anyone in reply to F-I-T, 11-28-2003 09:43:30  
My question is where do you dispose of it at. Is it a ecological concern or because it is somewhat natural products can it be safely disposed of. I suppose that when in doubt dump in a approved container.

I also have sen this process strip paint off of the metal really nicely to.



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F-I-T

11-29-2003 21:11:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Electrolysis Question, for F-I-T or an in reply to Andy Waller, 11-29-2003 19:45:56  
Andy:

The electrolytic fluid isn't considered hazardous, and would be safe to go down the drain or even into your septic tank. However, the flakes and gums of the lead-based paint you remove should be disposed of the same way you dispose of your sanding dust and paint remover residue. I pour my old electrolyte through a cloth, then it goes out in the grass, as the lawn always to like some more liming.

I've been cooking parts for a couple of years now, and I tried to collect the sediment, and then dry it to store in a coffee can, and after all that time, I don't have 3 or 4 ounces of stuff, and most of it is pieces of paint.

Frank

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