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Any pipefitters out there?

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Mike Schotte

11-02-2003 16:33:52




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Been noodling around working on the spare SC gas tank today. The old sediment bowl was aluminum or some sort of alloy- and I had a really nice case of corrosion holding it all together.

The previous owner had rounded off the bowl nut, so I never could get it to unscrew. I finally took a hacksaw and cut the sediment bowl away from the housing- so I'd have room to get a pipe wrench on it.

Finally got the pipe wrench to take a bite, and the aluminum just twisted off completely- leaving the threaded part still inside the tank.

Drilled out all the aluminum I could, and then managed to split it in two and pull the threads out with plyers. Even then... the corroded threads stayed behind in the female threads.

Short story long- I needed a tap to chase the tank threads and get all the corroded aluminum out. Went to the hardware store, and found a brass fitting in the plumbing dept. that matched my other tractor exactly.

Could somebody PLEASE tell me how something that measures around 5/8" or 11/16" is classified as a 3/8" pipe fitting???

The man at the hardware store informed me that pipe taps are not like my regular S.A.E. taps, either... so I bought a 3/8NPT tap for about $8. That was the GOOD part of the story- since it seems like every time I have to buy a "large" tap- they are about $24 bucks.

Sorry for the rambling- but I was just wondering if somebody could explain why pipe fittings are different. By the way- I did check, and 3/8" is NOT the inside clear diameter, either.

-Schotte

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Terry

11-03-2003 14:15:56




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 Re: Any pipefitters out there? in reply to Mike Schotte, 11-02-2003 16:33:52  
A question kind of off the subject, do we really need a gasoline sediment bowl anymore if we put a fuel filter in line? A car, pick up motorcycle, lawn mower and so on don't have them?
Terry



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todd hamilton

11-02-2003 17:32:47




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 Re: Any pipefitters out there? in reply to Mike Schotte, 11-02-2003 16:33:52  
Hi Mike! I am remodeling my house and plumbing makes no sense to me either. However, I had to replace my sediment bowl because the butterfly valve was worn out and it leaked around the shaft when the gas was shut off. If you did not damage the fitting in the tank the Farmall (H I think) replacement bowl available at Tractor Supply Company fits the thread in the tank. It will not fit the gas line. I added about 1' of rubber fuel line to mate it up. Also, I have not looked at an SC yet that did not seep around the brass alloy fitting on the bottom of the tank. Smear it with Seal-All rated for gasoline. It won't be very pretty but it will keep gas from dripping on the tractor.

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Mike Schotte

11-02-2003 17:42:47




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 Re: Re: Any pipefitters out there? in reply to todd hamilton, 11-02-2003 17:32:47  
I think Tom is right about the tapered threads. I think I ran the tap in there too far when I was cleaning the gunk out.

The new brass fitting screws in a *bit* too easily and too far now. Will most definitely need some thread sealer on final assembly.

-S.



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Klyde

11-03-2003 04:46:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Any pipefitters out there? in reply to Mike Schotte, 11-02-2003 17:42:47  
Mike If you have the tank off get a big old soldering iron and solder the threads full. then tap it again 1/2 way this time so the threads are still tight.



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todd hamilton

11-02-2003 17:49:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Any pipefitters out there? in reply to Mike Schotte, 11-02-2003 17:42:47  
Tom is 100% correct. The day I fixed mine I took the old sediment bowel to the hardward store to try to match a butterfly valve to it. The sold me a pipe fitting for 50 cents so I would know what thread to match it to at TSC. It was explained to me that plumbing pipes are tapered so they will seal. Duh - O.K. so this gas pipe is tapered so it will seal. The IH bowel has the same thread and taper. The Ford N series bowel looks more like a match but the thread is wrong.

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dctom

11-02-2003 17:04:43




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 Re: Any pipefitters out there? in reply to Mike Schotte, 11-02-2003 16:33:52  
pipe threads are tapered ang get tighter the further you screw them togeather, i beleive the fuel tank bowls are 3/8 pipe tom



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todd hamilton

11-02-2003 17:51:52




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 Re: Re: Any pipefitters out there? in reply to dctom, 11-02-2003 17:04:43  
I know you are sitting up there LOL at us "kids" working on this gas tank problem! Grin :)



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Alan Parsons

11-02-2003 16:46:34




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 Re: Any pipefitters out there? in reply to Mike Schotte, 11-02-2003 16:33:52  
Hi Mike
3/8 is the basic size of the inside diameter of the pipe.
Alan



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Alan Parsons

11-02-2003 17:41:45




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 Re: Re: Any pipefitters out there? in reply to Alan Parsons, 11-02-2003 16:46:34  
I thought that I could remember this, but I had to go look.
3/8" schedule 40 pipe O.D.=.675" I.D.=.483 (.017 under 1/2")
3/8" schdule 80 pipe O.D.=.675 I.D.= .407 (.033 larger than 3/8")
I've wondered the same thing, I have no idea why the I.D. isn't a nominal size. Guess they had to give it some kind of a name so that we would know what to ask the guy at the hardware store for.(G)
Alan

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todd hamilton

11-02-2003 17:57:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Any pipefitters out there? in reply to Alan Parsons, 11-02-2003 17:41:45  
And why in this day in age can't they come with an epoxy to directly connect copper to plastic? It fits! But like - oh NO! The sun will not rise tomorrow if you join copper and plastic under a house. (without a special compression fitting) Oh well, not a tractor issue!



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