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DC Case Vs. M Farmall

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Ryan

10-13-2003 17:45:04




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Recently a friend and I were arguing about which is better, a DC or an M. Well, I have gotta say that in my opinion the DC is a little better than an M. What's not to like? The DC has live power, live hydraulics, steers twice as good as an M, grille is cast so it doesn't smash like an M, chain drive rearend was solid, hand clutch is smooth and engages nicely. The only advantage an M has over a DC is 5 speeds Vs. a 4-speed DC. I have a DC and think it is the best tractor ever. Which one do you think is better? Which one will pull more? Anything else that a M has that a DC does not?

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R Wyler

10-14-2003 06:34:09




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 Re: DC Case Vs. M Farmall in reply to Ryan, 10-13-2003 17:45:04  
I have a 930 comfort king chain drive Case and an M Farmall. The DC I know is a heavier built tractor that I am sure has more power. The DC has the superior transmission rearend design and hydraulic system. I consider the M a excellent light weight utility tractor and it is very dependable. I use my Case that for the heavy work. R Wyler.



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John Saeli

10-14-2003 05:08:18




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 Re: DC Case Vs. M Farmall in reply to Ryan, 10-13-2003 17:45:04  
Hey Men; The DC could have used more gears, but in comparison with the "M"'s 5 speed, The DC had a much broader torque range. The M would need 10 speeds to compare. The hydraulic system on the M didn't even compare to the hydraulics on the DC, or even an SC for that matter. The DC had live PTO & Hyd. in '52, don't believe the M ever did.



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Josh

10-14-2003 04:23:36




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 Re: DC Case Vs. M Farmall in reply to Ryan, 10-13-2003 17:45:04  
I have a Farmall M and an SC. One thing about the Case, whoever built it must have forgotten that tractors with a narrow front were supposed to be maneuverable. Other than that, i like the Case, especially its seating position.



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John in SD

10-13-2003 18:55:56




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 Re: DC Case Vs. M Farmall in reply to Ryan, 10-13-2003 17:45:04  

Owning 4 DC's and a Super M I have since sold I would have to agree that the DC is better for the reasons stated.

The biggest thing where credit must be given to the M is cold starting. The M definitely had an edge over the DC getting started in subzero temps. The M was easier to warm up to operating temp and the shorter neck on the intake manifold never iced up as bad.

M's also were balanced better and the Swartz and Speeco aftermarket front ends available for M's made them more stable for Farmhand and loader use. The DC lost its easy steering advantage no matter what front end it had when you put a loader on. Most M's steered pretty good with or without a loader and again the aftermarket helped with making power steering available.

I really don't see the M 5-speed having any advantage over the DC 4-speed except for a faster road gear. The DC working gear spacings were as good or better than the M, IMO.

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Les...fortunate

10-13-2003 18:47:17




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 Re: DC Case Vs. M Farmall in reply to Ryan, 10-13-2003 17:45:04  
Well, I've got a '48 M and I just love it. It's a beautiful tractor. Now I guess I'll just have to get me a DC so I can compare.
";^)



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CASEPOWER

10-13-2003 17:55:25




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 Re: DC Case Vs. M Farmall in reply to Ryan, 10-13-2003 17:45:04  
The DC also has a wet clutch. I pulled a Super M for a while. Wouldn't trade a DC for 10 super Ms if I couldn't sell them and had to keep them. Transmission is much tougher then a M. The only thing I like better on the M is well well I just can't think of anything unless it's got nicer tires!!



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dctom

10-13-2003 18:12:58




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 Re: Re: DC Case Vs. M Farmall in reply to CASEPOWER, 10-13-2003 17:55:25  
the "M" had two things over the DC, more gears and M&W, they made a tractor out of the M, before M&W they didnt compare to a DC,every thing casepower said and more.

last week at our pull there were 17 "M" and i beat em all lol DCTOM



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ANGLEIORN

10-13-2003 19:43:05




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 Re: Re: Re: DC Case Vs. M Farmall in reply to dctom, 10-13-2003 18:12:58  
ASK DC TOM WHITCH ONE HE DIDNT BEAT AND WHAT IT WAS



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dctom42

10-14-2003 01:43:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: DC Case Vs. M Farmall in reply to ANGLEIORN, 10-13-2003 19:43:05  
yah yah massy 44 got me but case built the first ones so it dont hurt lol



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Cadillac Cowboy

10-14-2003 06:53:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DC Case Vs. M Farmall in reply to dctom42, 10-14-2003 01:43:14  
best been looking a whole lot harder abought who built the first Massey 44. and where it was built. Btw Ji Case had to buy its name back from massey do to hard sales times. i think that it was only the plow devision. but massey still owned case.;-)
When you can tell me where the first massey 44 was built than you will be able to tell me who built it. MHM



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CASEPOWER

10-14-2003 07:36:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DC Case Vs. M Farmall in reply to Cadillac Cowboy, 10-14-2003 06:53:25  
Massey never owned Case Tractor division. they owned JI Case plow works which was not affiliated with one another. They had there share of problems long before Massey bought the plow side. The only thing they had in common was the family that started both buisnesses. Wallis is the tractor before your massey harris not Case.



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Cadillac Cowboy

10-14-2003 10:04:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DC Case Vs. M Farmall in reply to CASEPOWER, 10-14-2003 07:36:46  
Finaly some one who understands the trueth. Massey bought the ji Case plow works. now i never said that they owned the tractor devision did i? NOPE.



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dctom

10-14-2003 08:54:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DC Case Vs. M Farmall in reply to CASEPOWER, 10-14-2003 07:36:46  
J.I.CASE turned the thrashsing machine company over to his family and started the J,I,CASE plow works, his son in law mr wallis was in charge and they built the wallis tractor,(ever listen to a wallis 12-20 run? sounds just like a cc or dc case) massy harris marketed the wallis tractor, they sold out to massy harris in 1927 and sold the J,I,CASE name back to the thrashsing machine company, masssy NEVER owned case, massy bought the plow works for the tractor,

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CASEPOWER

10-14-2003 09:18:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DC Case Vs. M Far in reply to dctom, 10-14-2003 08:54:23  
That was my point. They bought the plow works and never owned any part of Case tractor just wallis.



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Cadillac Cowboy

10-14-2003 09:50:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DC Case Vs. M in reply to CASEPOWER, 10-14-2003 09:18:08  
Wallis tractor and jicase plow works were two differnt companies. they were bought seperatly and the name JI Case was sold back to your case company. now dont even try saying that case built wallis tractors cause that has no trueth to it. if you two would like to discusse this use further, Mr cp has a great board for that.



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dctom

10-14-2003 11:26:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DC Case V in reply to Cadillac Cowboy, 10-14-2003 09:50:09  
YOU BETTER GO BACK AND REREAD WHAT EVER YOU GOT YOUR INFO FROM J.I.CASE PLOW WORKS BUILT THE WALLIS TRACTOR, THERE NEVER WAS A WALLIS TRACTOR COMPANY, MASSY HARRIS BOUGHT THE J.I.CASE PLOW WORKS FOR THE WALLIS TRACTOR,



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Cadillac Cowboy

10-14-2003 15:43:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DC Ca in reply to dctom, 10-14-2003 11:26:47  
Yes you are right, and i am wrong on that. the wallis tractor was indeed made by the Ji Case Plow division. but you are still wrong that Case made the first tractors for MH. and sorry CP but the Bull tractor is not right either, it was never made for massey harris. massey harris imported them to canada from the US of A for resale. now i leave it up to you to tell me who made massey harris's first tractor for them, when, and what modle or modles.

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dctom

10-14-2003 17:25:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DC in reply to Cadillac Cowboy, 10-14-2003 15:43:41  
rather you like it or not massy didnt have a tractor of their own and sold the wallis tractor than bought the case plow works who made the wallis and called it theirs now you tell me just woh made the first massy tractor??



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Cadillac Cowboy

10-15-2003 07:57:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to dctom, 10-14-2003 17:25:00  
casepower allready anwsered that. i was so hoping that you would go and look it up so you can stop spouting off abought case buildingthe first MH, casue they sure did not. heck CP and you have both said that ji case plow works and ji case tractors had nothing to do with each other.
SH



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CASEPOWER

10-14-2003 16:32:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DC in reply to Cadillac Cowboy, 10-14-2003 15:43:41  
I said they started with the Bull tractor. I never said it was made for them. Parret Tractor Co. built the first No.1 massey Harris tractor in 1918.



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CASEPOWER

10-14-2003 11:45:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DC Ca in reply to dctom, 10-14-2003 11:26:47  
In 1927 massey started selling wallis tractors the next year they bought JI CASE PLOW WORKS to get the Wallis. Massey was in buisness in 1891. They started with the BULL tractor in 1917. They contracted PARRETT to build there first Massey Harris tractor in 1918 that lasted till 1923. If you look at a Challenger or a Pacemaker they look the same as a late Wallis.



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Mike Schotte

10-13-2003 18:11:54




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 Re: Re: DC Case Vs. M Farmall in reply to CASEPOWER, 10-13-2003 17:55:25  
Hey CASEPOWER-

It's good to see you around...it's been awhile.

You ought to show the folks here that new secret weapon you've been working on.

-Schotte



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CASEPOWER

10-13-2003 18:59:10




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 Re: Re: Re: DC Case Vs. M Farmall in reply to Mike Schotte, 10-13-2003 18:11:54  
I am going to wait till shes just a little further along before I let the cat out of the bag. I thought it up and started then to find out it had been done a couple of times before.



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Jim Broughton

10-13-2003 20:50:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: DC Case Vs. M Farmall in reply to CASEPOWER, 10-13-2003 18:59:10  
This is definitely dated info, but in the late forties, I kept records on maintenance, gas consumption, etc. on a DC Case, an M Farmall and a John Deere "A" all three were doing heavy plowing in loam soil. The DC easily out performed it's two competitors, but gas consumption was just short of terrible !! Finally decided to use the DC only for heavy work, as it was just too expensive to operate, but boy, could that old DC pull!! Regards, Jim

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chris davis

10-13-2003 19:38:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: DC Case Vs. M Farmall in reply to CASEPOWER, 10-13-2003 18:59:10  
I've got a dc case and i think size for size the m farmalls has'nt got a prayer



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