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SC Carb, Help!

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Dan

08-22-2003 21:03:53




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I can not seem to get the adjustments on the carb of my SC correct.If I have the throttle pushed forward the tractor will run, but when I try to increase the speed the tractor shuts off. Is it a problem with the full load needle? The tractor sounds like it starves for fuel but it gets fuel. If I open the drain plug at the bottom of the carb fuel does come out in a stream. Also how is idle adjusted? Do you adjust with the idle needle or the screw on the throttle shaft? When the tractor is running at idle there is no sound change if I turn the idle screw in or out. Thanks for any advice.

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Mike Schotte

08-23-2003 13:23:55




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 Re: SC Carb, Help! in reply to Dan, 08-22-2003 21:03:53  
Hope this helps,

-Schotte



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RandyD

08-23-2003 17:10:24




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 Re: Re: SC Carb, Help! in reply to Mike Schotte, 08-23-2003 13:23:55  
Show off!
:o)
Much better post than mine Mike. When I rebuilt my carb I forgot to put in that tiny gasket on the load needle. Made it tough to adjust until I found it.
Randy



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Mike Schotte

08-23-2003 17:26:51




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 Re: Re: Re: SC Carb, Help! in reply to RandyD, 08-23-2003 17:10:24  
Hey Randy,

Not trying to show off... just trying to get more use out of all that darn typing! (grin) It's a shame to use that post only once.

You know- I never could get much use out of the adjustment on my carb idle screw... it doesn't seem to make any difference.

My tractor needs the load screw about 5 turns out before it works correctly under load. Don't know why- but the standard (book) adjustments just never really worked for me.

Your '49 SC project is looking good! Let me know when the pictures with the decals are posted. When it comes time to paint mine- I'd sure like you to teach me something about HVLP sprayers.

-Schotte

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Randy D

08-23-2003 17:55:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: SC Carb, Help! in reply to Mike Schotte, 08-23-2003 17:26:51  
My idle needle is sensitive I would say to � to � turn. Did you rebuild your carb? Check to see if there is any play in the load needle. I feel sure the reason your idle needle valve isn�t working is because your load needle is to far out.

This my first paint job but I did find the Wagner fine coat HVLP turbine system very easy to use. The advantage of the turbine is that it heats the air or that is what they tell me. Very little wasted paint as compared to a non-HVLP. But there in lays a problem. The low air pressure produces almost no bounce off the surface being painted, hence the economy of the paint system, but it is hard to paint behind something like the belt pulley. I have really enjoyed using it.
If you have any more questions let me know.

The decal story is another problem. I'm still waiting on Lyle Wacker to send me the rest of them. I only have a partial set.

Randy

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Mike Schotte

08-23-2003 18:17:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SC Carb, Help! in reply to Randy D, 08-23-2003 17:55:26  
Hello again Randy,

Yes- I rebuilt my carb several, several times. Had to do a LOT of trial and error trimming on the bowl gasket to get the floats to clear at first. They would move fine until I tightened the screws... then the floats would hang.

When I finally got it perfected... I traced the damn thing on paper so I'd never have to figure it out again!

Then I adjusted the float level wrong (by going from the "hanging" position instead of the upside-down position.)

I then had a pinhole in the float.

I've been through this carb many times. The only parts I have not removed are the well vent and the two jets (seats). These parts won't budge, and replacements from Zenith aren't available anyway.

The only thing I've never done which might be affecting my idle is that I've never adjusted the idle screw on the choke butterfly. I just left it the way that it's been for the past 20 years.

I've done lots of trial and error adjusting while brush-hogging... and I'm positive I've got the load screw in the best position (for me). I can't explain it.

-Schotte

F.Y.I.- I'm attaching another archive link for you regarding my experiences with the SC carb.

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Randy

08-23-2003 19:09:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SC Carb, Help! in reply to Mike Schotte, 08-23-2003 18:17:54  
I can't help but think you are pulling air in around the load needle. There is a tiny gasket that fits on the needle that is easy to miss. It looks like a tiny, tiny fiber washer if I remember right. NAPA includes the tiny washer but does not give it a number on the diagram. But look on the part they call 27a which is the load needle valve assembly. Behind the first retainer nut is the washer but notice it is not identified with a number. You have probably already done this but it is the first thing that comes to mind.

Randy

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Mike Schotte

08-23-2003 19:27:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SC Carb, Help! in reply to Randy, 08-23-2003 19:09:49  
Randy,

I've got the red fiber washer behind where the load screw body screws into the bowl housing.

I also scrounged around the Home Depot plumbing dept. for the world's tiniest O-rings and have a black rubber O-ring around the needle shaft of the load screw. I makes the needle stay where it's adjusted and is tight enough that no air could get in or gas could get out.

I do not have a gasket between the retainer nut and the needle body housing.

-Schotte

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Randy

08-23-2003 20:04:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SC Carb, Help! in reply to Mike Schotte, 08-23-2003 19:27:26  
When I put the gasket in it firmed up the needle substantially. Until I found it, I wondered how the needle would stay in place myself. I looked at the NAPA drawing and it seems to show the washer, just no number.

Since the needle works under a vacuum I don't think the o-ring will stop air from entering around the shaft unless it is compressed between the retainer nut and housing. I could be wrong, but if you have a setting of five turns and the idle has no effect I would say you are sucking air somewhere.

Interesting problem.
Randy

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RandyD

08-23-2003 10:55:49




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 Re: SC Carb, Help! in reply to Dan, 08-22-2003 21:03:53  
Set the load screw at 1 1/2 turns open to start.
Set the idle screw 3 turns open.
That should get you going.
If the load screw is too far out it will drowned out the idle adjustment if I remember right. Did you rebuild the carburator?
I will scan in the manual page if you need it.
Randy



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Dan

08-23-2003 17:27:41




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 Re: Re: SC Carb, Help! in reply to RandyD, 08-23-2003 10:55:49  
I put a new carb kit in and have not been able to get the tractor to run well since.



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Randy

08-23-2003 18:05:15




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 Re: Re: Re: SC Carb, Help! in reply to Dan , 08-23-2003 17:27:41  
Dan, was it a NAPA kit? The gasket furnished in some kits, NAPA for one does not fit the top half of the carburetor bowl cover. It will fit the bottom half perfectly but the top half has a grove cut in it that can be covered by the gasket. The bottom half has a hole that should match the grove. This is the bowl vent if I remember right. If it is partially covered it will give you all kinds of problems. Also check to make sure there is no play in the load needle.
If your carefully you should be able to split the carb again without damaging gasket if you have tried everything else.
Hope this helps.
Randy

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Randy

08-23-2003 18:23:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: SC Carb, Help! in reply to Randy, 08-23-2003 18:05:15  
I should add Dan the gasket problem that I mentioned would cause the problem that you wrote in your first post.
Hope this helps.
Randy



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