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Changing a rear tire on a SC

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coldcanadian

04-28-2003 21:52:37




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I have A 1954 SC with a side wall that has come apart and the tube has started to come through, and I have an extra tire on a old rim that has rusted out.
I want to take the tire off the rim with the hole in it and put it on my tractor, I beleive that I can break the bead on the tire that is on the no good rim by running over it with my tractor!
But what do I use to get the tire off?

And the tire that is on my tractor with a crack in the side wall, has a tube that I don't want to damage, I can most likely cut that tire off, right on the tractor, without any damage to the tube, but what tools am I going to use to put the other tire on?

is there a way to break the bead on the tire, with it still on the tractor?

and how am I going to set the bead back in place? I have a very small compressor

I need this tractor's help around the cottage

Thanks again
coldcanadain

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Brian in Ohio

04-29-2003 18:06:11




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 Re: Changing a rear tire on a SC in reply to coldcanadian, 04-28-2003 21:52:37  
My father and I used to change tires on his 22-36 McCormick Deering with two crow bars, a sledge hammer, and two large flat head screwdrivers. It may not have been the most professional way to get it done, and it required a lot of elbow grease, but it does work...



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INCase

04-29-2003 10:02:57




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 Re: Changing a rear tire on a SC in reply to coldcanadian, 04-28-2003 21:52:37  
I've used a bumper jack with a flat/sharp metal base to break beads on car tires. you've got to get right on the edge next to the rim. have never messed with large tractor tires although I will probably need to soon. FOr "tire irons" I use flat crow bars like the "Stanley wonderbar". I've seen shops use a portable pnuematic bead breaker to remove tires in the field. They didn't even take the wheel off the axle. didn't watch how they did it though. I'd buy a new tube for the trouble. A tube going thru the sidewall gets pinched everytime the wheel goes round and will be (is) stressed and can likely give trouble later. with the little bit of $$. Good luck and be careful.

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RobertTX

04-29-2003 05:55:23




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 Re: Changing a rear tire on a SC in reply to coldcanadian, 04-28-2003 21:52:37  
What Paul F. said is correct - you need to push the bead away from the lip of the rim. If you run over it or do anything that folds the tire back, it just makes the bead seat tighter and it will not move. The hammer that Mike described is made to hit the bead just under the lip and beats it down. KenTool makes another tool that is swan necked. You can drive it into the space between the bead and lip, then hit it with a hammer to drive the bead down. I have dismounted some very rusted 30" tires with this tool. Some of the other methods the guys described also will work fine, just remember to push the bead away from the lip, not roll the tire back.

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Kenny

04-29-2003 06:35:01




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 Re: Re: Changing a rear tire on a SC in reply to RobertTX, 04-29-2003 05:55:23  
For years I have been hearing about breaking beads by driving over them. It just does not work. I've tried it enough times. Useing a jack gives the same results---nada. Urban mith. Yes, the hammer thing, the one with the sliding weight, does work. Been there, done it. Hope this does not infuriate any one, just don't want him waisting his time..



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John

04-29-2003 05:27:07




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 Re: Changing a rear tire on a SC in reply to coldcanadian, 04-28-2003 21:52:37  
My Dad showed me how to use a 2x6 as a ramp. Put it right against the edge of the rim and you do not have to worry about hitting the rim. Drive up on it and almost guarantee it will break the bead.



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Paul F

04-29-2003 05:22:19




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 Re: Changing a rear tire on a SC in reply to coldcanadian, 04-28-2003 21:52:37  
Driving over the tire is tricky as you want the down force right on the bead, running over the side wall even 2 inches from the bead probably won't go anything. If the other suggested options don't work (30 year old tires can be recalcitrant) I have broken several tires free using my high lifter jack and the front end of my M-37. Lay the tire on the ground and maneuver your truck so that the jack will fit up against the tractor tire rim and be directly under the truck bumper. Jack away, usually have to do this 3 times in different spots to break it completely free. Flip the wheel over an repeat. Then use the tire irons/spoons to work the tire off the rim

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Mike Schotte

04-29-2003 03:57:49




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 Re: Changing a rear tire on a SC in reply to coldcanadian, 04-28-2003 21:52:37  
coldcanadian-

I had SIX flats on my new rear tire on the SC before I got it to hold air.

I had the tire store do the tire and tube mounting- but the pulling the tire off of the tractor was my job all six times.

Trust me- for the amount of work involved- $26.00 for a new tube is peanuts.

You can buy large tire irons at Norther Tool. They sell the kind with the "lip" that rests against the edge of the rim while you pry the tire up and over the edge.

Having seen SEVERAL tubes go "POP" upon inflation- I offer the following advice:

1) soap the inside of the rim up with tire soap before you install the tube.

2) carefully align the tube by hand to make sure it is not pinched or wrinkled. Be sure that the valve stem is correctly aligned. If it is slightly off- the pull when it's inflated will puncture the tube.

3) slowly inflate the tube halfway to allow the tube to straighten itself out inside the carcass of the tire. Then deflate. (your small compressor may not have enough oomph to move the tube around)

4) then do the final re-inflation.

With any luck, you will not hear a BOOM upon inflation. (grin)

I don't have any special advice on breaking the bead of the tire except using a tire hammer (a sledge with a wedge shaped end.) It's very easy to miss the bead and bend the darn rim- so take your time. I've seen the tire guys pour soapy water around the rim while the tire is laying flat to help this process.

After the bead is broken- I just walk around the edge of the tire to knock the rest of the way off the rim.

Good luck- and don't get hurt horsing that big guy around!

-Schotte

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Kennyp

04-28-2003 22:54:24




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 Re: Changing a rear tire on a SC in reply to coldcanadian, 04-28-2003 21:52:37  
Tire irons and a hammer. Like a LARGE screw driver or pieces of a car spring. Leave the wheel on the tractor so it does not move around. Jack it up of course. Work around and around as you go. Use your head (to think with). It has got to colasp into the "drop center" to come off. Small air compressor is OK. Just takes longer. I have pumped them by hand when younger and poorer. Air will expand the bead. I doubt that any tractor has the "safety bead" that is so hard to break on car tires. Just pry and pound it in a little at a time. Wish I were there to boss. :)

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