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Oil pressure on 1950? VAC

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Cliff

02-27-2003 20:40:35




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I bought a nice running VAC for me and my 12 year old son to tinker on. Panel gauge didn't move, so I screwed in a good Stewart Warner mechanical in the block. It shows 20 to 25 pounds oil pressure. Is this normal? Motor sounds good, no bearing noise. Is this motor splash lubricated? Brass I.D. tag is missing. Parts tractor has the same motor with a spin on oil filter. Would retro fitting the spin on filter assembly on the running motor change oil pressure? Thanks for your suggestions. I am a truck mechanic but know nothing about these old tractors. Thanx, Cliff

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Mike from Canada

03-01-2003 15:44:52




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 Re: oil pressure on 1950? VAC in reply to Cliff, 02-27-2003 20:40:35  
ive got a 49 VAC that came w/ a spin on oil filter so go ahead and make the upgrade. cartrige types are messy to change anyway.

the pressure is regulated in the filter base by a relief spring. this can be shimmed to increase pressure if desired (by washers or shims). just dont exceed 25 psi. you may find the engine seals cant handle the pressure or volume and the engine will leak from the crankshaft seals.

the original Case gauges were only rated @ 30-40 psi anyway so 12-20psi is adequate for the low hp motor (12-15hp).

good luck!

mike

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Cliff

03-01-2003 17:20:20




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 Re: Re: oil pressure on 1950? VAC in reply to Mike from Canada, 03-01-2003 15:44:52  
Thanks to Mike and Joe and everyone else for answering my question. As I mentioned the brass I.D. plate is missing. Where else can I figure out when this tractor was made? How can you tell whether it's a Continental or CASE engine? Thanks Again, Cliff



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Mke from Canada

03-02-2003 12:10:41




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 Re: Re: Re: oil pressure on 1950? VAC in reply to Cliff, 03-01-2003 17:20:20  
I lost the serial # plate on my tractor too. the way i figured out the year was i went through my copy of the CaseIH model VA parts catalogue and tried to identify the parts upgrades between serial #s. and i eventually narrowed it down to serial #s between 1948 and 1950 so i split the difference and say its a 1949.

the continental engine co. was supplying engines to some tractor manufacturers during war time (i.e. massey harris) because many engine builders had contracts w/ the american armed forces so most engine manufacturers werent producing for the general public. when case came out with the model V most of the parts were built by outside sources. the engines were built by continental (flat head style) the transaxle gears were supplied by the clark transmission and gear co. although the case for the transaxle and the rest of the tractor was manufactured by case. the model V was in production for 2 1/2 years (1940-42). then midway through the '42 model year, case upgraded the design of the V and renamed it the VA. case then took over manufacture of the transaxles and initially commissioned continental to build the engines to their specifications (OHV style). after about a year or so, case had finally upgraded their Rock Island plant to build the engines for the VA and purchased the patents and rights from continental.

now to answer your question.

i suspect that because you have a cartrige type oil fiter, it might be the older continental built engine in your VAC. however if im wrong, if you look on the lower end of the block casting you may find the case eagle on a globe (thats old abe) and a case part # (i.e. VT-###) if its the continental engine it may not have old abe cast into the block. sounds like its older than 1950.
if you can find the engine serial # located on the top left corner on the right side of the engine (from the drivers perspective) just beneath the head, someone may be able to help you with when the engine was built and that would give you an approximate timeframe.

good luck!

mike

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mj

02-28-2003 19:32:07




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 Re: oil pressure on 1950? VAC in reply to Cliff, 02-27-2003 20:40:35  
Joe's got it right; manual calls for 12-20 psi at operating temperature. I have one that runs 12 psi at idle when warm and about 16 at governed max. speed with 10-30 oil. Another one runs 15-16 & 20 at same conditions. I wouldn't worry too much about the little you are over....someone might have stretched and/or shimmed the pump relief spring.



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Joe (Wa)

02-28-2003 10:39:23




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 Re: oil pressure on 1950? VAC in reply to Cliff, 02-27-2003 20:40:35  
Hi Cliff, VAC has the 124 cu-in engine with gear type oil pump mounted on #1 main brg & driven off the crankshaft. Oil pressure is typically 12-20 psi @ op temp and full eng rpm depending on condition of the pump, relief, & engine wear.

The oil filter is an optional shunt system. Being a shunt it will drop the oil press 1-4 psi depending on wear conditions above. If you are going to install the filter, be sure the inlet tube is still present in the housing. The tube is about 2-3/4" long with 2 orifices on the end that directs oil to the top of the filter media. If the inlet tube is missing, the oil will bypass the filter media and drop directly back into the sump and may lower the oil press & volume enough to cause damage to the valve running gear and especially the cam brgs. Good luck, Joe

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C. Amick

02-28-2003 10:04:38




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 Re: oil pressure on 1950? VAC in reply to Cliff, 02-27-2003 20:40:35  
Yes, 20 to 25 lbs of oil pressure is good. The spin on oil filter shouldn't change the oil pressure. The engines in the early VAC's were not made by Case. I think they were Continental engines. The engine parts on your tractors may not be interchangable. The Case motors have oil pumps, I assume the Continental engines did also. There is a hollow metal stem that goes up into the spin on filter. It is important, do not lose it. The head will not be lubricated properly without it.

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