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DC serial # doesn't make sense

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dbb62

01-18-2003 17:21:44




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I am looking at what I thought was a DC, but the seller said the serial # is 8024712. I have asked for pics of tag, flange, etc., but wondered if anyone has any wisdom on this one?




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John Saeli

01-18-2003 17:39:17




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 Re: DC serial # doesn't make sense in reply to dbb62, 01-18-2003 17:21:44  
That serial number is for a '53 DC. Should have foot clutch, live PTO and Eagle Hitch.



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Paul f

01-19-2003 08:30:58




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 Re: Re: DC serial # doesn't make sense in reply to John Saeli, 01-18-2003 17:39:17  
My DC is 8025000. Live PTO Eagle hitch but still has hand clutch. I don't know what serial# begins foot clutch



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Mike Schotte

01-19-2003 09:54:49




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 Re: Re: Re: DC serial # doesn't make sense in reply to Paul f, 01-19-2003 08:30:58  
Hi Paul f,

I can't answer your question about the particular serial number that marked the change over to the foot clutch on the DC model- but I can give you some CASE production info that you might find of interest-

(all of the following information is taken from the same book that I quoted previously) :

"By February 1952, the decision was made to adopt the foot clutch, live power take-off and brakes on all DI models and the eagle hitch on all DC3's, in an effort to standardize common parts...

...Then in March 1952... the spring-loaded foot clutch was standardized on *ALL* D models. The logic behind this replacement was that with eagle hitch controls, there were now too many hand levers for the operator to use."

"By May 1952...(starting with Tractor No. 5600001), so many changes took place that a completely new parts book was required. All DC's had both of the brake pedals move to the right side of the operator."

"During 1953, 5,742 units were built, all D, DC3 and DC4's. Most of this year's production was inventoried. Records reveal that ALMOST ALL of these tractors were returned to the assembly area, some fitted with FOOT CLUTCHES, RENUMBERED AS 1954 UNITS and sold as such." (emphasis is mine)

So Paul- what I gather from all of that is the "first" foot clutch equipped DCs with an 80 series serial number were probably converted '53 models. (made after the serial number format change of November 17, 1952.)

What that book doesn't make clear is whether or not any of the 1952 model year(pre-serial # change) DCs had foot clutches or not...


-Schotte
(who just thoroughly confused himself)

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John Saeli

01-19-2003 09:54:21




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 Re: Re: Re: DC serial # doesn't make sense in reply to Paul f, 01-19-2003 08:30:58  
You got me on that one Paul. Perhaps at one time it was originally foot clutch, and an old timer liked the hand clutch better so it got changed back. I have a '52 that was originally hand but I changed it to a foot clutch which I like much better.



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Paul f

01-19-2003 14:13:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: DC serial # doesn't make sense in reply to John Saeli, 01-19-2003 09:54:21  
There are no signs that there was a foot clutch. I will tell you Mike's quote about the need for a foot clutch with the eagle hitch hydraulics is dead on. Using the hydraulics while backing up and trying to steer all at the same time is a bit of a challenge with a hand clutch. I am going to see about getting a builders card for it this week...maybe that will provide some clues

Paul f



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dbb62

01-18-2003 19:15:41




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 Re: Re: DC serial # doesn't make sense in reply to John Saeli, 01-18-2003 17:39:17  
Thanks.

Can you clarify for me. I thought the year was determined by taking the first two numbers and subtracting 4, so 5645623 would be a 1952 tractor.



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Don R

01-18-2003 19:41:57




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 Re: Re: Re: DC serial # doesn't make sense in reply to dbb62, 01-18-2003 19:15:41  
What you have is a very late model DC that was "modernized" in an attempt to get rid of it out of dealers stock. By 1953 the DC was getting dated and rumor has it that they were all given 4" pistons, and foot clutch in an attempt to make them more saleable. A late DC is really a good, useful tractor with good power. It's too bad Case waited until so late when Farmall had "superized" the M several years earlier. The M and DC were very close in performance-the Super M just blew a regular DC away. The serial number you have is just the new numbering system that was used starting with the 500 and the late DC series. I have 3 late DC's and love em. Don R

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Mike Schotte

01-18-2003 19:35:32




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 Re: Re: Re: DC serial # doesn't make sense in reply to dbb62, 01-18-2003 19:15:41  
Hi dbb62,

The "subtract 4" rule does work for most of the Case 7-digit serial numbers- but it does not work for the later production ones (as you'll see below)

I can't credit the author of the quotation in the book I'm citing, because I don't know the title (it's a Xerox copy a friend mailed me)- but the info is from the chapter titled "The Flambeau Series 1939-1955" That chapter states the following:

"The first Model D with an 80 serial number, No. 8023172, was made on November 17, 1952 (1953 build year but 1952 calendar year). All units, as with all other Case tractor models of the time, exhibited serial numbers beginning with 80 (Racine-built SC and DC) and 60 (for Rock Island units). It is not possible to accurately access the year of build for these units without number block information. Earlier units followed a predictable recipe that revealed the year of manufacture; these, however, did not."

Hope this clarifies things.

Can anybody give me the name and author of this book? It's a good read, and I'd love to pick up a copy and see clearer versions of all those great assembly line & loading photos.

Regards, -Schotte

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dbb62

01-18-2003 19:39:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: DC serial # doesn't make sense in reply to Mike Schotte, 01-18-2003 19:35:32  
Thanks for the clarity.

I'm interested in this one because it has both live pto and eagle hitch. It's a long way from home, but nothing a few days on the road and good times couldn't cure.



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