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David Brown 885G update

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D.L.

09-27-2002 20:55:58




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I asked in another post about a problem with the hydraulics on the DB 885G I just paid for. Well, now I know "the rest of the story". First, it seems our local Case dealer/shop isn't too thorough in their garage work. This place did the install on the new hydraulic valve body and valves. On the repair paperwork (which I have in hand), the mechanic checked off the install had been done and notes that the hydraulic oil looks ok and does not need changing. Well, it turns out the hydraulic oil was the problem! Seems the mechanic dipped some from the top before he installed the valve body and, of course, having set for so long, all the gunk and sediment was in the bottom.

We replaced the hydraulic filter (under the bottom of the tractor) and in the middle of where the filter goes is a bypass valve that is spring operated. It also has a magnet to pick up any small metal grindings from wear and tear. This thing was all gunked up and the bypass valve wasn't "bypassing". We drained the entire system and flushed everything with diesel fuel. Cleaned everything up and replaced the filter and hydraulic fluid fresh. Everything works like a charm now.

One new "problem" of sorts...when the tractor is first started, there is some clunking in the bottom end of the engine for about 1-2 seconds and then it goes away. Mike (the seller of the tractor) thought it might be a bearing because once the tractor heats up, the oil pressure drops to about 20 PSI (assuming, of course the old gauge is accurate to begin with).

We pulled the pan and sure enough, the front main thrust bearing had worn away, or fell out (it's a little, half cirlce bearing that fits into a rather narrow and shallow channel in the side of the front and rear main caps) and the crank was moving back and forth a slight amount. It has worn into the side of the cap to the point one of two things needs to happen. A new cap needs to found and bought, or a machinist needs to build the area up and machine it back to correct shape. New bearings are coming as well. Mike is going to have this work done for me, and there is no extra charge for any of it.

I almost feel sorry for Mike...this tractor ended up costing him more than he intended to put into it, and although I have already paid for it, he still insists on doing these things so that it's "right" when I finally get to take it home. He has already spent a fair amount of the money I paid for it to fix some things up. All I can say is it sure is good to find an honest, hardworking guy these days that's willing to do what it takes to make things right. If/when I need another tractor or other implements, or any type of work on the tractor, Mike will definitely get my business.

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Elmer

09-30-2002 19:28:42




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 Re: David Brown 885G update in reply to D.L., 09-27-2002 20:55:58  
Sorry for the absence guys. My computer was hit by lightning and i just got it back. Better than ever!!!! The last time i had a situation with the thrust surface area where the washers mate to the block and cap, i just sent it in to United Welding in Mississauga and they built up the area and machined it back to specs. But their miracles cost alot of money. I don't know where you'd find a bearing with the thrust bearing incorporated to the size you'll need. I know i don't have a cap here either. I can help with some parts too though.

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D.L.

09-30-2002 21:36:23




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 Re: Re: David Brown 885G update in reply to Elmer, 09-30-2002 19:28:42  
Ouch! Sorry about the computer. As an avid computer geek, I feel yer pain ;-)

I wondered about the surface area of the thrust bearings (based on my own experience building car engines over the years), but I didn't say anything to Mike since I know zero about tractor engines at this point. So far he has proven his knowledge on just about everything that I've seen him work on, so I figured he knew what he was talking about.

I suspect he will end up using the factory type thrust bearings. The only question is do we replace the cap or have this one built up and machined as you did.

Actually, for me it doens't matter, Mike is the one dealing with it and it's not costing me anything, so I personally don't have a preference as to which method he uses, I just want my tractor ;-)

Thanks for the input.

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Elmer

10-01-2002 02:48:23




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 Re: Re: Re: David Brown 885G update in reply to D.L., 09-30-2002 21:36:23  
If he put another used cap on the block would have to be line bored.



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Eddie in KY

09-29-2002 17:28:09




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 Re: David Brown 885G update in reply to D.L., 09-27-2002 20:55:58  
Any Case IH dealer should be able to get you parts for these. I have an DB 885 Diesel and have been able to get anything I need through my local Case IH dealer. Just my 2cents worth. And oh yeah, I have had a Massey Ferguson that chewed up a rear main bearing. The crank journal wasnt to messed up and it just took a little emery cloth polishing and a new set of main bearings and all has been good for 2 years now. But nothing as bad as what you have from the sounds of it.

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Elmer, Help This Man

09-28-2002 05:43:49




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 Re: David Brown 885G update in reply to D.L., 09-27-2002 20:55:58  
Elmer, please help this fellow out with your advise. Ever hear of this main bearing problem?



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D.L.

09-28-2002 09:55:58




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 Re: Re: David Brown 885G update in reply to Elmer, Help This Man, 09-28-2002 05:43:49  
Well, Mike has things pretty well under control, but some help that I could use is to know where to find the main bearing caps for the 885G. I have looked at as many tractor parts places online I could find that advertise David Brown parts. I have sent inquiries to many of them and all have come back saying they do not have these parts.

As it stands, Mike and the machinist have an idea of milling the caps so they will accept bearings that have the thrust bearing part built onto the main bearing as one unit (very much like a lot of other bearings have) and using those instead of the factory two-piece units. Mike and the machinist seem to think this really won't be a problem as long as everything is within spec tolerances for fit and gap in the bearings and the crank. It seems plausible and considering the function of the thrust bearings and how everything fits together, I too think this would probably work (but I am not an expert so...)

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Elmer, Where are you?

09-29-2002 07:00:43




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 Re: Re: Re: David Brown 885G update in reply to D.L., 09-28-2002 09:55:58  
Elmer can get you manuals, which you will really need for this tractor. He can also get you most parts for DB tractors. He is an expert on DB tractors.



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D.L.

09-29-2002 08:01:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: David Brown 885G update in reply to Elmer, Where are you?, 09-29-2002 07:00:43  
That would be great! Although, I already have a set of manuals on the way (operators manual and service manual).

Parts source on the other hand, would be a welcome thing.

Thanks



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