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Retiming my 1949 SC Case

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GA Kern

09-24-2002 21:18:20




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I've been busy on this discussion board addressing a # of problems with this old baby. Got several things going. Recently noticed that tractor would start okay, but miss and backfire with a horrendous noise when I tried to throttle it up. It also seemed to spark erratically on some cylinders. The tractor has a distributor and a coil on it and when I looked at the points, saw that they were fried. Thought I had solved the problem by replacing the points, but when I cranked it over with the distributor cap off, noticed no rotation of the rotor shaft. When I took things apart cleaned out the grease saw that the pin was sheared in the little gear on the horizontal shaft that meshes with the gear on the rotor shaft.(What could cause that?) I have found 3/16" rolled pin that will fit? Will that work or should I have a special sheer pin?

Now my main concern is timing--I'm sure the timing will be all off when I put it back together. How do I go about this? I've seen some of the discussion on the board that pertains to a magneto. Can anyone advise me on retiming a tractor with distributor and coil.

Rather than assume that I know anything. Could someone take me through a step by step sequence to accomplish this task. I would be much obliged. The help I've gotten so far has been great--both directly and indirectly. Thanks in advance. (An aside, I was raised on a farm, started doing field work at 9 years of age--my tractor? an SC Case. Restoring one for sentimental reasons and having great fun and a real challenge)

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Baggsy-Wy

09-24-2002 21:43:36




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 Re: Retiming my 1949 SC Case in reply to GA Kern, 09-24-2002 21:18:20  
There's a small plug on the outside cover of the flywheel...turn it until a small dot lines up exactly with the center of the hole. This positions TDC for the #1 piston. Line your distributor up with a terminal and make that's #1. Spin it over to see which way your rotor is turning. Make the next one #3, then #4, then #2. Check for voltage at the coil with the points open and closed. Open should read right at zero. Make sure the condenser is not shorting out. Make sure there is no play in the dist shaft. Double check the firing order. Start it and tweak it a little each way till she runs good...Great tractor, she's just keeping you humble till you make make over her enough.

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GA. Kern

09-25-2002 18:44:05




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 Re: Re: Retiming my 1949 SC Case in reply to Baggsy-Wy, 09-24-2002 21:43:36  
Followed your instructions and got the tractor running again. Too early to tell, but seems to run better than before--it ran rich when I first got it. There is some play in the distributor shaft. The small gear may need replacing. Do you know if they are available and who makes them?

If I have to take it apart again--I will know how to retime it now. Thanks loads for your help.

Oh, another issue that you may know about. There is a bad spot on the starter ring gear and have to engage it several times before it will catch. (Hate that noise!) Is it possible to rotate the ring gear on the fly wheel so it stops where the gear is not worn so much? And, if so, how much of a job is that? It would mean splitting the tractor. The starter drive gear is fine. Is there any simpler solution to this problem?

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Baggsy-Wy

09-25-2002 19:34:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Retiming my 1949 SC Case in reply to GA. Kern, 09-25-2002 18:44:05  
You'll have to find out what kind of distributor it is since original SC's came with a Case Magneto...You might take your parts down to Napa and see if you can find somebody who knows how to look farther than just the computer screen.

You can get a new ring gear at Case or TSC and yes, it takes a split to replace it. I've got the same thing on my SI. I just spin the belt pulley a bit each time I shut it off. I figure I've still got 350 degrees of good flywheel and I'm gonna wear them out before I get a new one...

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Gerald

09-26-2002 19:12:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Retiming my 1949 SC Case in reply to Baggsy-Wy, 09-25-2002 19:34:35  
Thanks for the info on the distributor and the ring gear.

Took the tractor out to test it today and starts fine and runs okay at idle, but throttled up has little gumption. Then it will do some strange things; start to "miss and sputter, then give a horrendous backfire and kill.(All the dogs in the neigborhood started barking) I have to leave it sit awhile before it will start again, but starts right up then will give a repeat performance. While it was idling I loosened the distributor "clamps" to adjust the timing and lo and behold it started sparking or arcing there. Should that happen? Any ideas what my problem is?. When I got the tractor it did not backfire; not run the best, but no backfire. After taking things apart and cleaning and putting back together, the backfiring started. I put on a new fuel line and sediment bulb. Took the carb apart and cleaned and put on new gaskets. It was backfiring before the carb disassemble, however. I took the carb apart because I thought it might have sucked in some dirt when I had the air cleaner off. Seems to me its not a fuel problem, but a firing problem. If I remove #2 wire for example, the tractor seems to run better with it arcing on the spark plug than when it's attached to the plug. Very weird. Any ideas? This old girl has her own personality, it seems.

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Fighting suburbia in NC

09-27-2002 07:13:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Retiming my 1949 SC Case in reply to Gerald, 09-26-2002 19:12:22  
Sounds like your coil is breaking down. A weak coil will run decent at idle but will die at higher rpm's and don't even try to load it hard. If the spark is not a good blue snap when it arcs but looks more yellowish then your coil is not fully charging up before each discharge. Something to think about - may be the problem, may not be. Good luck.



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GA. Kern

09-28-2002 19:47:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Retiming my 1949 SC Case in reply to Fighting suburbia in NC, 09-27-2002 07:13:31  
Thanks for your suggestion--did get a new coil--other one looked pretty battered anyway. See my new posting entitled, "SC now frying points" and add your comments there if you have any further suggestions as to the problem.



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C. Amick

09-25-2002 09:39:00




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 Re: Re: Retiming my 1949 SC Case in reply to Baggsy-Wy, 09-24-2002 21:43:36  
Tob add to Baggsey's post. The backfilring may have caused the pin to shear, a roll pin should work. To be sure the No. 1 cylinder is on the compression stroke, pull out the spark plug on No. 1 cylinder and stick your thumb over the hole and rotate the engine until you feel air pressure coming out. I think it is supposed to fire 1/2 before top dead center. The only way to insure that you have it timed exactly right is to hook it up to a load and see how it pulls.

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GA. Kern

09-25-2002 18:57:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Retiming my 1949 SC Case in reply to C. Amick, 09-25-2002 09:39:00  
Thanks for your comments. Will be awhile before I get it in shape to pull a load but will put it through the paces. I did get the tractor running again using Baggsey's and your advice. Thanks again. I think you mades comments on one of my other problems, too--appreciate the help and more is forthcoming as I tackle new problems. I have been somewhat creative, I made a tool to remove the keepers/tightners on the end of the the steering shaft. (I'm betting originally there was a tool for that) One was rusted, but with heat, penetrating oil and my handy, dandy tool I was able to loosen it. The shaft was bent, had a pipe welded over it. I ground off the welds removed the pipe and had a welding shop weld in a new shaft--looks good.

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