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Case 430 Live PTO

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Paul L

03-14-2006 09:30:23




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Reading a thread in the archives and they were talking about the 2 foot lever that is for your live PTO (or was suggested to be for your live PTO, I always thought it was just a hand clutch). Stops the tractor and the PTO still runs, and the pedal stops both. Is it going to harm the tractor to yank that up without disengaging the clutch? Thanks.




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charley hellickson

03-14-2006 20:00:52




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 Re: Case 430 Live PTO in reply to Paul L, 03-14-2006 09:30:23  
hi paul. i i will give you the straight dope on the hand clutch. i have a 300 with one. i have had the tranny apart and have studied how it works. the hand clutch is made to stop the power to the trany,which stops the rear tires but lets the pto keep running. full power is trasmitted to the pto from the engine. when the foot clutch is pushed down every thing stops except for the hydraulic. if you want to shut of the pto,you push the foot clutch and pull up the rod behind the seat. you can snap the hand clutch out of gear to clear the pto load and firmly ese it back into gear,don't just yank it back in. you can use the hand clutch anytime,it just shouldn't be used to start a heavy load. hope this helps. charley.

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Paul L

03-14-2006 20:10:32




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 Re: Case 430 Live PTO in reply to charley hellickson, 03-14-2006 20:00:52  
Charley,

So the hand clutch can be used anytime, but it shouldn't be used to start a heavy load. I'm going to use an example because I'm not quite sure I understand what ur talking about. So I'm blowing snow and the snow catching up with the tractor. I can't reach down and pull the hand clutch up, let the PTO continue to spin so I don't shear of the bust pin on the snow blower, and then push the hand clutch so the tractor is back in gear and continue to blow snow? During this time I've never touched the foot clutch. Is this right? PAul

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charley hellickson

03-14-2006 21:43:34




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 Re: Case 430 Live PTO in reply to Paul L, 03-14-2006 20:10:32  
hi paul. what i was trying to say is not to use the hand clutch doing loader work or something like that. you can't slip the hand clutch like the foot clutch. the hand clutch is meant to be used with balers,combines,choppers anything that runs off the pto so you can stop forward travel and keep the machine runnig so it doesn't plug up or over load tractor engine. if you hit a big load of snow just pop the hand clutch and let it clear. every time you push the foot clutch the pto will stop. you can slip the hand clutch some but not as well as the foot clutch and it is not as big and it doesn't have a pressure plate. it is a stack of steel plates meant to be used in or out. hope this helps a little more. charley.

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charley hellickson

03-14-2006 21:54:59




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 Re: Case 430 Live PTO in reply to charley hellickson, 03-14-2006 21:43:34  
hi paul. i should have added you are right,you use the hand clutch and don't touch the foot clutch. when you want to stop the blower then push foot clutch. i think you have it. charley.



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Paul L

03-14-2006 21:59:17




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 Re: Case 430 Live PTO in reply to charley hellickson, 03-14-2006 21:54:59  
Charlie,

I understand now. I also get your point about not using the hand clutch as a normal clutch, but only when necessary. Thanks for your patience.



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Tom (Ks)

03-14-2006 16:45:18




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 Re: Case 430 Live PTO in reply to Paul L, 03-14-2006 09:30:23  
If the lever you are talking about is on the left side in front of the foot clutch, it is the midmount clutch. You can use it any time. The independent pto clutch lever is on the right side behind your seat. It stops only the pto.



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Tim in New York

03-14-2006 16:10:56




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 Re: Case 430 Live PTO in reply to Paul L, 03-14-2006 09:30:23  
Paul, since no one is jumping in, I'll add my limited memories. We never used the pto on our 430 diesel - used the tractor for hauling firewood, plowing snow, and running a splitter off the hydraulics. I did bust the clutch rod off the pedal one day in the woods on a stump. Made it home just fine using the live PTO clutch somehow - can't remember, its was 25 yrs ago. And seems like I used to play around with that lever as a hand clutch a little. I think you can use it that way without damaging the tractor. Should be a bunch of guys here that can really answer your question.

Tim in NY

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Paul L

03-14-2006 11:59:00




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 Re: Case 430 Live PTO in reply to Paul L, 03-14-2006 09:30:23  
Even if it doesn't pertain to the PTO, do you just pull on the hand clutch and not worry about wrecking it?



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JR(CASE38MAN)

03-14-2006 17:35:35




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 Re: Case 430 Live PTO in reply to Paul L, 03-14-2006 11:59:00  
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You can use it for the main clutch or the foot clutch .when pto is on you use foot clutch to stop tractor and if you want to stop pto and tractor just pull it back..won't hurt a thing..



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Paul L

03-14-2006 18:52:58




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 Re: Case 430 Live PTO in reply to JR(CASE38MAN), 03-14-2006 17:35:35  
You can use it for the main clutch or the foot clutch .when pto is on you use foot clutch to stop tractor and if you want to stop pto and tractor just pull it back..won't hurt a thing..

I just re-read your post and not quite sure. When you use the foot clutch - tractor and PTO stop and when you use the hand clutch the tractor stops but PTO keeps going. Does that change anything?



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Paul L

03-14-2006 17:51:21




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 Re: Case 430 Live PTO in reply to JR(CASE38MAN), 03-14-2006 17:35:35  

Thanks for the info. I had planned, since it doesn't have a live PTO as we know them, to just puch in the foot clutch, pop it in neutral, clear out the blower (if it got to full and bogged down) and then carry on my way. Looks like I've found an easier way to go. Paul



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