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O.T. New(er) truck? What to get?

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Ken Christopherson

02-19-2008 17:33:04




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I will try not to make this too lengthy... I sold my 2000 Silverado 1/2 ton extended cab last November, and am currently starting to look for a replacement tow rig. Been a GM fan for a long time. Long as I can remember. Its all I have owned. I just had the opportunity to drive a 2003 Ford Super Duty w/ the V10 about 1000 miles. Not the greatest fuel mileage. HORRIBLE ride. My neck and back were hurting after about 200 miles in the truck. Never really been in many Dodges for a long time. Here is my dilemma:

I want to go 3/4 ton this time. After owning an extended cab, I don't know if I want another one. Would rather have a crew cab (Would be easier with future kids). However, the crew cabs are much more money than the extended. I also would like to have the Duramax. Better mileage than the 6.0 litre. Better power. Better transmission. Also. MORE MONEY. I am thinking that my next truck will be kept for a long time. Longevity is an issue. Reason being is because I am going to be 22 soon. Probably married by 25 or so. And kids coming by 30. Truck will probably stay with me through most if not all of this. I have the luxury of working for a truck accessory company, so finding all the goodies to deck it out will be easy, and pretty cost effective. My question is, I guess. What will be the best bang for my buck? 2003-2006? GM 2500 HD crew cab or ext. cab 6.0 gas or duramax diesel. I currently have for towing: Snowmobiles, boat, a '41 Case SC, and hopefully will once again have a Farmall M.... Which I did pull with my half ton. Twice. Maybe even some green? Unstyled JD A. I will also be using this as a daily driver to and from work. I only live 2 miles from the shop, so in town mileage is not what I am concerned with. Highway and towing are the big factors. My budget is probably right at 20 thousand. trucks seem to be in the 15-25000$ range for gas vs. diesel, extended vs. crew cab. Anyone have any thoughts?

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Bruce Hopf

02-25-2008 03:44:45




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to Ken Christopherson, 02-19-2008 17:33:04  
I have a 4X4, 1996 GMC Sierria 1500, extended cab with 350 engine. Just love it. Rides real comfotrable. Almost like riding a cloud. I have a real bad back, and I have no trouble with driving it. Test drove a ford extenda cab before the GMC, for 3 miles, and could't stand it. Aggravated my back something awful. Test drove the GMC. Bought it. I pull mu 20' flat bed equipment trailer with it puicking up my customers tractors for restoreations, and haul my Fordson Super Major to local fairs. To save gas I installed a Tornado in the air intake, and also I installed a K & N air filter. I live out in the country in Ontario Canada, and our roads are not looked after the greatist, and drive constantly in 4 whele drive in the winter and getting 19 to 20 MPG. Before i instlled these items, was lucky to get 15MPG in 4 wheel drive. Good luck

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mj

02-22-2008 21:51:14




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to grapefarmer, 02-19-2008 17:33:04  

billy bob said: (quoted from post at 07:20:33 02/20/08) Why are short trips any harder on a diesel than they would be on any other engine? The thermostat will get the egine up to operating temp in a few minutes and most well maintained systems will only go a few degrees higher than the stat. allows.


I agree .... if you get the diesel up to temp then it doesn't care if you drive it a mile or another hundred miles. Any engine, gas or diesel, suffers the most wear and tear when it's operated below 140 degrees. The initial start and warm-up cycle creates the most wear.

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495man

02-22-2008 13:36:53




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to LarryNeohiocase, 02-19-2008 17:33:04  
I wouldn't consider the cummins 5.9 a "light duty" engine...variations power many tractors and medium duty trucks.



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DurangoCase

02-20-2008 18:05:26




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to Ken Christopherson, 02-19-2008 17:33:04  
I bought a 01 2500HD crew cab 6.6 Duramax used. I use it to haul a 30 foot goose neck and/or my three kids on road trips. I've put about 25000 miles on it. 10000 with with Case LA loads. I live in the Colorado mountains and frequently have long, steep pulls. The truck has plenty of power and never misses a beat. The ride is smooth loaded or unloaded. Zero problems to date. If you look at the engine/transmission/body/suspension as a whole, GM gets my vote.

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JGarner

02-20-2008 11:30:03




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to Ken Christopherson, 02-19-2008 17:33:04  
Just a word on fuel, prices and economy. Most gasoline now is at least 10% ethanol to help with pollution problems. Ethanol has a lower BTU content than gasoline and you will usually see a drop in fuel economy of about the same percentage as the portion of it in your fuel. If ethanol were not so highly subsidized by the US government it would be more expensive too I believe;ie, E85.

Diesel has the highest BTU content and power of the popular motor fuels (propane is the lowest)and consequently the better mileage no matter what your manufacture's choice is. (Personally I am a Dodge man and have had excellent luck with Dodge trucks over about 45 years of vehicle ownership).For durability and reliability I believe the Cummins engine has it hands down. That said, diesels take more care and maintenance than gas engines but you should never have to lift the heads on a Cummins engine for at least 300,000 miles. Ask the over the road truckers and hot shot drivers. Like is stated below, there's a reason you see more Dodge and Ford diesels trucks pulling commercial loads than Chevy or GMC. Take a look at he engines in Peterbuilt, Mack, International Freightliner, etc. They are usually Cummins or Cat.

For your needs I would think the largest V8 gas engine would pull what you want and give the most optimum fuel economy for less the initial outlay. You aren't putting enough miles on the truck a year to justify the cost of a diesel no matter what brand. If its pulling power you want go to a low gear rear end and a gear splitter to let you run in "overdrive" when unloaded. There are several brands of these on the market and have probaly been perfected by now. This gives you the equivalent of a two speed axle in a pick up package.

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Dave Beiter

02-20-2008 08:25:34




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to Ken Christopherson, 02-19-2008 17:33:04  
I am in the same boat as you are.. I already have 3 kids though. I am getting a 2500HD extended cab short bed with the 6.0L Vortec/ 4L80 automatic These will pull anything you will ever have need to pull. The milage isn't as bad as you think, I have been hearing 14MPG all around. I really wanted a Duramax as well but couldn't justify the extra $8K difference they are asking for even a used truck.....

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Bobl1958

02-20-2008 10:29:40




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to Dave Beiter, 02-20-2008 08:25:34  
Dave - just a note that I bought a 6.0L in a 2500HD. Drove to Arizona with a 27' gooseneck with some small plows on it. Got 6-7 miles to the gallon at best. I had to start looking for a station after every 130 miles. Only owned the thing for about 4 months and traded it for a Duramax. Absoutely love the thing, but it costs a lot more if you aren't going to put a lot of miles on it.



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Jerry C Okla

02-20-2008 06:50:26




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to Ken Christopherson, 02-19-2008 17:33:04  
Here's my vote for Duramax chevy, I drive hot shot delivery out of northeast Okla. One ton duallys 4 wheel drive. 04 models, One with 365,000 miles, one with just over 400,000 miles.
no major problems with either one. Lots of diving in Texas, Louisana see lots of Chevys.
JerryC



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farmdad

02-20-2008 06:23:20




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to Ken Christopherson, 02-19-2008 17:33:04  
This link takes you to a forum for the Ford 7.3 diesel used from "99-"03. These engines are considered medium duty as they are also used in trucks and buses. Chevy and Dodge use light duty engines. Good vehicles with these engines are getting harder to find as people are finding out that they last and work hard. One word of caution. DON"T GET AN EARLY 6.0L diesel, "03-"05. Lots of problems. I have an "03 F350 w/7.3 and am getting at least as good of mileage as the "90 F150 it replaced. Plus it can haul and tow with ease. (Wish that you could get the Cummins in a Ford......) Have fun selecting a new toy!

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/forum31/

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JoeBob/IN

02-21-2008 09:58:17




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to farmdad, 02-20-2008 06:23:20  
You are absolutly incorrect about the light and medium duty engines there. Dodge is the ONLY one to use a med. duty engine. The only one. The 7.3L IH is a light duty engine as well as the 6.6L Duramax, the 6.5L GM, the 6.9L IH, the 6.0L IH, and the 6.4L IH or who ever makes that thing. The 6.5L's were used in busses. Now, the 5.9L CDC/Cummins (not really fully a Cummins!) and the 6.7L Cummins are and have always been med duty engines. The 5.9L was originally developed for ag and construction use then used in the pickups and larger trucks. Same goes for the 6.7L. Given all this I would stay away from the Fords with the diesels and still can't trust the Dodge's drivetrain. Always loved the GM's and with that Allison it is hard to beat... plus the Duramax is a great engine.

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dragon

02-20-2008 04:32:21




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to Ken Christopherson, 02-19-2008 17:33:04  
Hands down best truck on the road for the load you expect to pull Toyota Tundra. Texas made.



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J heitkemper

02-19-2008 22:21:53




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to Ken Christopherson, 02-19-2008 17:33:04  
Of all the Diesel motors ,, The Most Reliable , Mile after mile , Year after Year , And Best economy ,Cummins , THAT S IT,,.. Period ,. My 2 cents Jim



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Harry J. Case

02-19-2008 20:38:33




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to Ken Christopherson, 02-19-2008 17:33:04  
Hey Ken Old habits are hard to break, how well I know but if you really want a truck to last that long the Cummins powered Dodge is your best bet. My humble opinion of course. Harry Case



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kyhayman

02-19-2008 20:24:42




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to Ken Christopherson, 02-19-2008 17:33:04  
Here's my 2 cents, for what its worth. We dont know what the future holds, for any of us. I wouldnt make plans for might be's and could be's. Get the vehicle you NEED now that you can pay for. Whatever that is. Its a lot of money to put into a pickup for a diesel for a little bit of hauling, or even a lot. I'm farming 700 acres in 4 counties, plus custom work, using a 2500 '01 Dodge diesel. No way am I getting another diesel pickup. Fuel costs more, truck costs more, and costs a fortune to work on. I just dumped 6 grand into my engine at 160,000 miles. I could have bought a gas engine for that instead of a head, injection pump, and clutch. Its not even my daily driver, I got an old beater car for that.

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C. Amick

02-19-2008 19:04:22




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to Ken Christopherson, 02-19-2008 17:33:04  
If you have to have a diesel, I like the Cummins but not necessary the Dodge truck. It has good fuel efficency and durability. If you aren't going to be pulling anything that often, I would stick with the gasoline engine. Diesels cost more up front and can be very expensive to repair.



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mj

02-19-2008 19:02:38




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to Don Rudolph, 02-19-2008 17:33:04  
I had Fords then Chevies and now Dodges. I've had really good luck with my 05 Dodge (Cummins, 6 speed manual, 4x4, Jake) and it gets pretty good mileage (averaged 21.5 mpg towing a Toy Camry at the posted limits on a 2800 mile trip - Toy down and empty back). I looked at Ford and Chevy but I just couldn't pass up the big torque of the Cummins with the 6 speed manual. :P

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JoeBob/IN

02-19-2008 18:56:39




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to Ken Christopherson, 02-19-2008 17:33:04  
One major problem I see with getting a diesel in your case is the short trips it will make quite often.... hard on any engine not to get warmed up and really hard on a diesel! Other than that you have already decided, you want a crew cab duramax with the allison! If you go with a ford don't get the V10. If you get a diesel I would get a beater metro of the like to drive to work and let it take the abuse.

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billy bob

02-20-2008 05:20:33




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to JoeBob/IN, 02-19-2008 18:56:39  
Why are short trips any harder on a diesel than they would be on any other engine? The thermostat will get the egine up to operating temp in a few minutes and most well maintained systems will only go a few degrees higher than the stat. allows.



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RickB

02-22-2008 05:00:26




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to billy bob, 02-20-2008 05:20:33  
A two mile commute isn't goint to be long enough to warm any engine to operating temps. A diesel will suffer more in those conditions thna a gasser.



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Bobl1958

02-20-2008 10:23:07




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to billy bob, 02-20-2008 05:20:33  
Turbo



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JoeBob/IN

02-20-2008 18:56:21




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to Bobl1958, 02-20-2008 10:23:07  
Turbo yes, but basically because combustion chamber temps don't get to operating temps to really clean out the cylinders and exhaust system. Even though the water gauge reads 180 the engine may not be fully up to operation temps and oil temps certainly are not. Very possible to still get 300k miles out of a diesel or gas engine that does short trips but generally speaking longer trips are much easier on an engine.

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Engineer20

02-19-2008 19:26:23




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to JoeBob/IN, 02-19-2008 18:56:39  
Why no V10? I had a V10 in my '04 F250. I loved it. Never had a problem.



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Bobl1958

02-20-2008 10:25:10




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to Engineer20, 02-19-2008 19:26:23  
The two different friends I have that have V10 Fords say they are great, as long as gas is not a problem. They say don't buy one if you worry about gas mileage. Personally, I love the mileage in my '03 Duramax, just hate the price of fuel.



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Arch in KY

02-19-2008 18:47:25




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to Ken Christopherson, 02-19-2008 17:33:04  
I have a Ford 2004 F-150 ext. cab. I have had good luck with it.I been looking at used 250 Ford.Found age and mileage thje Ford to be the best buy. Arch



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Bill(Wis)

02-19-2008 18:45:12




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to Ken Christopherson, 02-19-2008 17:33:04  
There are a lot of guys out there making a living towing loaded trailers. I see a lot of them, for example, towing trailers loaded with trailers made in Indiana and Ohio, i.e. Haulmark, etc. All of the tow vehicles I see are Ford or Dodge w/diesels. Most are extended cab w/duals and gooseneck. Not a Duramax to be seen. That might tell you something. I don't have a dog in this fight. I drive a Tundra V8. 20 mpg. Not a whimper yet with 125K showing.

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mEl

02-19-2008 18:20:30




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 Re: O.T. New(er) truck? What to get? in reply to Ken Christopherson, 02-19-2008 17:33:04  
I noticed that there is a forum on YT that deals with just these type questions , you may want to post there. The tractor transportation forum, That being said, the Dodge uses an engine built by Cummins as a joint venture with Case, so many on this forum may be partial to that engine as I am.



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