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DB 1210 w loader and cracked block - price check?

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headleyj

02-05-2008 12:44:54




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so I stumbled on a DB1210 with a loader ~4000 hrs, remotes on rear, great rear tires, but the block is cracked on the left side about half way up. It"s "gooe"d" up with JB weld and seps water but has no blow by. I"m going to hear it run and try it out tomorrow.
What"s a good price for this? Engine rebuild would be ~ $2000 I"m estimating if I do it - that includes a all lower end parts, new crank, all machining (boring if needed) with upper end valvetrain as well.
Thoughts and advice are greatly appreciated here as I"ve never looked at one that needs work like this. I"m fairly handy rebuilding a few older truck engines and such, just not too familiar with tractors yet, but I"m getting there!

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Tradititonal Farmer

02-06-2008 01:10:21




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 Re: DB 1210 w loader and cracked block - price check? in reply to headleyj, 02-05-2008 12:44:54  
Plan on buying a good running engine from a parts yard repairing that common of a block is a waste of time and money.Yinglings in Gettysburg PA did have a good running 1200 engine for sale
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richardinnz

02-06-2008 00:17:37




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 Re: DB 1210 w loader and cracked block - price check? in reply to headleyj, 02-05-2008 12:44:54  
Good old bus, but they have not made a David Brown for 23 years since Case shut the factory in 1985, some parts may be getting pricey or hard to get. Block may weld, they are thin on the water jacket especially mid way along the left side just to the rear of the injector pump.



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ArleninOr

02-05-2008 15:08:48




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 Re: DB 1210 w loader and cracked block - price check? in reply to headleyj, 02-05-2008 12:44:54  
kyhayman is right.Ihave 7 Case/David Browns They can be a money pit but they are the hardest working tractors that I own.I have a 995 which is the same as a 1210 and had to put a crank in it about $450.00 reground with bearings probably around 2500 hrs on it since then.Like anything else maintenance is the key



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kyhayman

02-05-2008 13:00:04




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 Re: DB 1210 w loader and cracked block - price check? in reply to headleyj, 02-05-2008 12:44:54  
I love a 1210, my favorite tractor of all time but that engine can be a money pit.

If the engine is tight, no blowby under load and hot(and you gotta load them up to tell, and no burned valves (let it scream while checking for blowby and then idle it down fast. Shouldnt pop any in the exhaust then I'd grind that mess out and get it welded.

If you are going inside the engine parts are high. If I remember right bearings are available 30 under on the 1210 cranks but only 20 under on the 1410's. I've never been able to turn one out. When they are worn they are usually worn beyond spec. Last crank I bought was 800. They have to be matched to the blocks too.

Pistons used to be available up to +40. Its parent bored (no sleeves) though there is a sleeve available to take it back to standard.

Last one I built (3 yrs ago) ran right at 4000 with everything (including cleaning injectors and checking the pump). Thats plus my labor. I did have the machine shop assemble the short block but that was only 150.

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jamie ellington

02-05-2008 21:48:59




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 Re: DB 1210 w loader and cracked block - price check? in reply to kyhayman, 02-05-2008 13:00:04  
dont uderstand what you mean about block and crank has to be matched,we had a 995 about 4 years ago with a bad crank but cant remember cu.in but it had the big bore block like a 219 in a 1210 but also had small stroke crank i think it was like 153 cu.in motor and all the other 995 we tore down at my buddies salvage yard had the exact block # but when we tore them down they had a smaller bore with a longer stroke on the crank and figured them to be 183 cu.in motors and after tearing down about 5 other motors we ended up putting the crank,rods,pistons and cam shaft(due to valve relief in piston}out of a 1210 motor and made the motor we had a 219 and tractor is still going with no problems and had no machining done to ether block or crank and if i remeber right we had alot of problem with serial# breaks looking for parts to put the original motor parts back in the tractor,i love my DBs and cases for fuel economy and you can put any body on them and they can take wright off but that day or so job turned in to be a pain in the but

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kyhayman

02-06-2008 06:48:54




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 Re: DB 1210 w loader and cracked block - price check? in reply to jamie ellington, 02-05-2008 21:48:59  
They were probably all AD 54 castings. As long as the dimensions are correct it doesnt matter as much except on a 1410 which is hardened differently.

Sometimes even if they dont match they will go a long time. I've not seen problems on the lower hp applications. Big problems with 1410's if using the different blocks with the higher fuel delivery and turbo. To a lesser extent it can be an issue with 1210's.

I cant recall how the 995 balances the engin. I know they have rear mounted pumps but I cant recall how they do it. 1210's and 1410's use fluid dynamic balancing with the front mounted hydraulic pump. If you notice the cranks dont have counterweights. Over time, these will fatigue right at the mid line of the crank when they dont match. Usually when I get a mismatch in its a broken crank between the 2nd and 3rd main bearing for no apparent reason.

With all that said. At this point matching cranks is almost impossible. There just arent enough left and the reman's if you can find them dont come with a history. Thats the main thing that I tell people when I build an engine. I normally warrenty the engine 12 months 1200 hours but DB engines that I have to put a crank in its 30 days, 100 hrs parts and labor plus whatever parts warranty the crank builder puts on it.

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jamie ellington

02-06-2008 07:23:31




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 Re: DB 1210 w loader and cracked block - price check? in reply to kyhayman, 02-06-2008 06:48:54  
there is a really good looking 1212 over in georgetown kentucky with a bad crank that i would like to have but the guy is wanting 2500 without the new back tires or make him an offer,all i would give is 1500 with the new back tires so i never bothered with it,taken a chance on powershift plus the motor is bad so i thought 1500 would be plenty



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kyhayman

02-06-2008 09:24:00




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 Re: DB 1210 w loader and cracked block - price check? in reply to jamie ellington, 02-06-2008 07:23:31  
Yeah, thats way too much. There was a 1490 over here with a bad crank that the guy tried for 3-4 years to get 1000 for. He finally ended up sending it for scrap.



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jamie ellington

02-06-2008 10:24:47




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 Re: DB 1210 w loader and cracked block - price check? in reply to kyhayman, 02-06-2008 09:24:00  
we have a 1210 to go pickup we traded a couple hundred dollars in labor on that had a bad head gasket and wore a grove between 2 cylinders and they tried to fix it with some JB weld that didnt work depending what the motor looks like in side we might pull a motor from a 1200 that we have here or might change blocks we still have the 1210 block we pulled all the parts out of to fix the 995, if you know of any ole junkers we are always looking for parts tractor,we use them for hay and tobacco work

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