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KY Jim

11-11-2007 12:25:38




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I have replaced the right brake trunnion seal THREE TIMES on my 930, just filled it up and drove it after third time, fluid is now POURING out of the drain hole. What am I doing wrong? I am using National seal #415137, installed with lip toward transmission, using cut-up plastic pop bottles to keep the shaft splines from cutting it, and greasing the #%&* out of the seal and mating surface. At twenty bucks per seal and 36 bucks a bucket for hydraulic, this is REALLY making me angry. I don"t think the big O-ring is damaged, as this would allow the fluid to leak out from between the housing and the trunnion or pinion housing. It is draining out of the drain hole in the trunnion housing. I"m to the point where I will replace this seal ONE more time, then run the tractor as it is until it destroys itself.Help? Please? Very Seriously Irate, KY Jim

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KY Jim

11-23-2007 15:42:58




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 Re: 930 brake seals in reply to KY Jim, 11-11-2007 12:25:38  
Thanks all. I have a new problem that may be related. I also changed the hydraulic filter before replacing the fluid, and now my lift arms only go down about half way. I figured this may be from air in hydraulic system, which might also cause pressure to make my brake trunnion seals puke oil. Does anybody know if/where the hydraulic bleeder plug is, or do I just crack open a line on the remotes to bleed the air out? Thanks again, KY Jim

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JGarner

11-13-2007 05:48:02




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 Re: 930 brake seals in reply to KY Jim, 11-11-2007 12:25:38  
Its actually not the splines that are the culprit although they can cut the seal. Case designed this system to use a special Case installation tool that covers the spline and creates a flush surface for the seal ID to slide over when you push it up onto the sealing surface of the side gear. There is no entry bevel or any kind of entry allowance made for the seal at this point. (Its the square shoulder that catches your seal lip and cuts it or turns it inside out.) It was assumed that the installer would be using the Case installation tool.

What I did on my 630 was mic the spline and the seal surface. I found the spline OD as 2.250" and the seal surface was 2.500" I went to the auto parts store and bought a $3 exhaust pipe reducer with a small ID for 2 1/4" exhaust pipe and an OD of 2 1/2". I smoothed off the sharp corners on both ends with a file and sand paper, slipped it on the spline shaft, wrapped a layer of thin clear packing tape on the junction between the the reducer and seal OD, greased all the surfaces real good and slid the gear housing on. No cut seals and no seal leaks. Make sure everything is lubricated well to keep the seal from turning back on itself.

Make sure you put a new o-ring on the housing old o-rings are hard and clip easily (o-rings are pretty cheap) grease the o-ring and its mating seal surface before putting everthing together.
(The o-ring I didn't replace that looked good is weeping.)

Also, on the first round of ruined seals I got a mirror and flashlight to look at the side gear spline end. When I had pushed the side gear up into the differential housingonce a got a squirt of oil from the side gear ID. What I saw in the mirror was that a previous owner had installed the plug seal with a center punch so imagine if you will what kind of leak you get from a .063-.093" hole.

I couldn't get the plug out without disassembling the whole rear end so I took a sheet metal screw that would fit in the hole, made a flat gasket out of several layers of teflon plumbing tape and screwed the screw through the tape and snugged up the screw in the hole. No more leak there. Now I have to pull that side apart and replace the o-ring I thought was still good!!

BTW, I drain my gear lube back in the pail and reuse it if its only been in a few days. Sorry for long post all.

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John Saeli

11-11-2007 13:09:21




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 Re: 930 brake seals in reply to KY Jim, 11-11-2007 12:25:38  
The Case seals are C.R. seals and although the interchange books list the National as the correct replacement, we discovered that they were not a proper replacement. They were not snug to the shaft.



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cahess

11-11-2007 13:27:31




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 Re: 930 brake seals in reply to John Saeli, 11-11-2007 13:09:21  
Hello John , Good to hear from you, Looked at diagram again an there are 2 different o rings used on cover . Assume he didnt remove them but at tractor age even small amount of movement is no good. Any way there no is d36103 first used on tractor serial no 8286985 . Other no is a18842 used prior to tractor serial8286985.If able recomend he check my numbers on cnh web site.



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cahess

11-11-2007 13:02:09




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 Re: 930 brake seals in reply to KY Jim, 11-11-2007 12:25:38  
There are 2 different seal sizes used . Case no is --a32015--- used on trans prior to trans serial no2228618. It measures 31/2-41/2-15/32. Other one is 31/2-41/4-3/8 an its case no is ---a57658. Got this from case web site under parts. You should be able to see where oil is pouring out , It can only come out around o ring -seal or cap in end of shaft. Im betting you have wrong seal.



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turbo

11-11-2007 12:57:47




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 Re: 930 brake seals in reply to KY Jim, 11-11-2007 12:25:38  
Did you check the soft plug in the end of the brake shaft?



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