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Late 730 LP

08-13-2007 20:54:48




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My temp guage reads full hot after the tractor has run just a little. A new sending unit didn't help. Should I presume I need a new guage or could the wiring be messed up somehow?
If I need a new guage, can I order a new one from Case, and will it still be an original guage with the proper length wires?




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Late 730 LP

08-14-2007 20:41:51




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 Re: Temp Guage in reply to Late 730 LP, 08-13-2007 20:54:48  
All good suggestions and appreciated. I should verify to you all that I am very certain the tractor runs cool. I can run it for hours with no sign of overheating and it runs smooth, yet the needle is pegged out. I did change the temp sending unit on the motor with a new one with no change. I'm wondering if a guage will go bad and act this way or do I have a wiring problem?
I do happen to have a temp gun and will try it out on this tractor just to make sure all is cool. Only thing is I'm out of LP and can't start it right now. I forgot to call the bulk delivery man before I ran out. The bulk man only delivers if he's in the neighborhood which may not be for a week or two this time of year. I don't mind as he's willing to make a stop for 20 gallons and not make me have a bulk tank for one tractor that I only fill about twice a year. The tractor seems to run forever on a tank of LP.

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Joe (Wa)

08-15-2007 00:40:23




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 Re: Temp Guage in reply to Late 730 LP, 08-14-2007 20:41:51  
As far as I can tell in a quick check of the Caseih site, the 730 LP's had one of these 2 cluster gauge boards pending tractor serial nr:

1) Stewart Warner (Dial hands pivot at bottom of gauges, tach & speedo).

2) Autolite (Dial hands pivot at top of gauges, tach & speedo are square shaped, dial hands pivot in the center).

Do you have a cluster gauge board, if so which one above?

Joe



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Late 730 LP

08-15-2007 21:09:36




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 Re: Temp Guage in reply to Joe (Wa), 08-15-2007 00:40:23  
I have a 1967 or what I call a late model CK with a big round individual guage for the temperature reading. It has idiot lights for the generator and oil pressure. Tach and speedo are the very large individual guages.



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Joe (Wa)

08-16-2007 01:04:14




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 Re: Temp Guage in reply to Late 730 LP, 08-15-2007 21:09:36  
Sorry I don't know which gauge you have. The symptoms you describe are of a resistance movement gauge with an intermittent sender circuit ground. A sender circuit ground will peg the gauge full scale the same as if the engine were actually overheated.

Sender circuit grounds most frequently occur in a sender wire with damaged insulation in which the conductor contacts the tractor frame due to vibration and/or thermal growth while the tractor is running.

Also it can occur at the insulators on the sender terminal where it enters the back of the gauge case. If the terminal is tight on the gauge case, it is probably ok.

To check the sender wire, disconnect the existing wire at the sender on the engine and on the gauge sender terminal and use a temporary jumper wire. Alligator clips on a length of 16 awg wire is all you need for a test run.

Joe

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Late 730 LP

08-16-2007 21:32:12




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 Re: Temp Guage in reply to Joe (Wa), 08-16-2007 01:04:14  
Thanks Joe,
I'll check it out and try the jumper wire.
If I understand you, your saying my wiring or terminals are shorting out against the tractor
and the grounding is causing the needle to peg. My suspicion was that the gauge must be good or it wouldn't move at all, but I wasn't sure
how the inner workings of the guage operate.



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Joe (Wa)

08-17-2007 00:12:42




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 Re: Temp Guage in reply to Late 730 LP, 08-16-2007 21:32:12  
Yes that is correct.

Most older electric gauges have a resistance movement. A quick and dirty check on this type of gauge.

1. Disconnect the wire at the sender on the engine and hold it away from the tractor. Then turn on power to the gauge (ignition?) the dail hand will deflect to the stop on the cold side of the scale.

2. With the power still on, touch the sender wire to the tractor frame, the dail hand will deflect to the stop on the hot side of the scale. That simply means the gauge works, not that it ranges properly or won't stop working due to vibration or whatever when the tractor is running.

The above applies only to resistance movement gauges, grounding the sender wire is only slightly higher current than that when an engine overheats, won't damage the gauge unless it is already very sick.

Here again, I don't know which type gauge movement you have and it is possible to damage other types of gauge movements by grounding the sender wire. You can try #1 above, won't hurt any gauge. If the dail hand deflects to the cold stop, odds are it is a resistance movement.

Case used a lot of Stewart Warner gauges, I have not seen any SW doing this era that was not resistance movement, doesn't mean they don't exist though. Look at the very top of the faceplate, may have SW plus a p/n. If you are going to try #1 & 2 above, disconnect the sender wire at the gauge and use your jumper wire.

Sorry to ramble so much, been a long day, can't seem to get both brain cells working together.

Joe

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Walt Davies

08-14-2007 08:23:05




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 Re: Temp Guage in reply to Late 730 LP, 08-13-2007 20:54:48  
Borrow the wife's oven temp gauge and put it in the water at the top of the radiator it will tell you if the gauge on the dash it correct or not.
Walt



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Roger H.300

08-14-2007 06:03:37




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 Re: Temp Guage in reply to Late 730 LP, 08-13-2007 20:54:48  
You may try draining your coolant to below your head level, get a 2" mechanical temp gage from any auto parts store, install it in your block to see how it reads to be sure you don't have a radiator problem other cooling problem such as the thermostate or water pump. I believe there's only one wire to hook up on the electrical gauges and that's from the sender terminal to the sender in the block. Of course refill you radiator befor attemping this test. Roger

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DKase

08-14-2007 05:37:52




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 Re: Temp Guage in reply to Late 730 LP, 08-13-2007 20:54:48  
Find someone that will loan you their hand held remote temp gauge to make sure the temp is what it shows. For those of you that have never used one, it is a small remote temp gauge about the size of a small pistol that will show the temp of anything up to several feet away. It shoots a small beam of light to show exactly where it is taking the temp. VERY handy to figure out which cyl. is not firing, if brakes are draging, or other stuff.

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JGarner

08-14-2007 05:15:28




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 Re: Temp Guage in reply to Late 730 LP, 08-13-2007 20:54:48  
Maybe the gauge is working correctly and you have a bad thermostat plugged radiator or some other anamoly making the tractor get hot after only a short time.

First thing I would do before I spent any more money on gauges, etc. is pull hoses off the radiator to see it I had sufficient flow for proper cooling , if so then see if the thermostat can be taken out and run the tractor with it out. Then if it still gets hot suspect the gauge or sending unit.

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