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Case 310B: just saw it, for sale, but Ugggg-not sure on this

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DennisT

08-08-2007 18:41:26




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Well, after several weeks of waiting to see what this dealer was going to bring in on this Case 310B trade in, it showed up at his lot tonight. Not too pretty. Plate says Model 310B for sure, s/n 6102149. Has power steering, hood faintly says triple range. Front grill missing, (the one that covers the front center and wraps around a few inches). Has a Case loader, but this loader is really worn and loose. Can't find model of loader but has CASE prominently on the main arms. Only has a single, center, front cylinder. Very narrow bucket...probably holds about two large wheel barrow loads. Has a funny, (to me), push-pull hydraulic selector control that evidently selects whether the operator is using the loader or something plumbed to the externals in the rear. Tractor has 3-point of sorts. Must have been an orchard rig as it has 16.5Lx16.1, fat, low rear tires, but with well worn ag tread. Fat front tires, one car-type, both pretty well shot. Oil is very black, thick and has probably not been changed for a long time. Tractor starts and runs good. Loader works very slowly. I doubt I'd even want to use it as a loader tractor. Price: $2,500 and they'll likely stick to the price. I think it's high.

Any comments? I have no experience with the 310's. I hear the triple range is nice. I also think this would be a better buy without the loader and priced at about $1,200.

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Dennis..... uncertain if I want to bother further.

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DennisT

08-11-2007 07:40:28




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 Re: Case 310B: just saw it, for sale - Conclusion in reply to DennisT, 08-08-2007 18:41:26  
I went back yesterday morning and give this little tractor a much better look. When actually driving it, there seems to be difficulty with the clutch. It did have a hand clutch too, BTW. It didn't seem to slip, but something was stiff and hanging up inside. I also realized the under-hung loader mount made the ground clearance under the center of the tractor about 6-inches. I'd hang up everywhere on my place with that. There were a few other problems as well. They had original said they were going to price the Case at $2,000, but when they got it in they raised their price to $2,500, because, "we had to put more money in the used tractor they guy bought." With the price increase and associated concerns about the tractor I decided to pass this time. I just think they were too high for it's condition.

I've sure learned a lot though and they are a worthwhile little tractor.

Dennis

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C. Amick

08-09-2007 14:55:11




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 Re: Case 310B: just saw it, for sale, but Ugggg-not sure on in reply to DennisT, 08-08-2007 18:41:26  
Seems at least $500 too high to me.



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wayne2

08-09-2007 09:10:36




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 Re: Case 310B: just saw it, for sale, but Ugggg-not sure on in reply to DennisT, 08-08-2007 18:41:26  
Where's it at, If close to Columbia River-wondering why my chevy hasn't stopped!!!!!



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Joe (Wa)

08-08-2007 23:25:10




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 Re: Case 310B: just saw it, for sale, but Ugggg-not sure on in reply to DennisT, 08-08-2007 18:41:26  
The loader probably is the model 291B or similar used on some of the lower number nr series tractors like the 310B. If so, this is how it works by adding a selector valve to the basic tractor hydraulics.

The loader lift cylinders were single acting as is the eagle hitch piston so the push-pull selector valve was positioned to operate either the loader lift cylinders or the eagle hitch. The lower hydraulic control valve interlock (under the gas tank) is setup for single acting. There are 2 levers on the same pivot on the right side of the transmission near the axle. The lever nearest the transmission operates the lower control valve to provide pressure/bleed-off for either the loader lift cylinders or the eagle hitch piston depending on position of the selector valve.

The bucket cylinder was double acting. The upper control valve interlock is setup double acting for remotes, in this instance, the bucket cylinder. The upper control valve, and thus the bucket cyl, is operated by the lever on the same pivot and outboard of the lever above.

If the tractor has triple range and rear pto, it likely has a hand clutch (in addition to the foot clutch) for ground travel. Check the hand clutch out good, especially if you plan to use the tractor pto for bush hog or baler.

Joe

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DennisT

08-08-2007 23:50:11




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 Re: Case 310B: just saw it, for sale, but Ugggg-not sure on in reply to Joe (Wa), 08-08-2007 23:25:10  
Thanks. Sounds like you know what loader this is. I don't think all the pivots even have grease fittings. Some pretty sloppy, and when it begins to lift, it tilts when coming off the ground.

Yes, tractor does have the hydro selector valve you mentioned. A pair of push/pull knobs. There is a long lever coming out of the left side of the transmission by the operator's left foot. Has shift knob on end and sticks up quite high. I am not sure yet if this is the hand clutch or shuttle lever. From it's position to the trans case, it sounds more like clutch to me. I'll try it in the morning.

I also have an Oliver 1550 for big jobs and a 1841 Ford Industrial that currently needs a clutch. We have a small place and light work most of the time, so I am wondering if the Case could make the Ford surplus. OTH, I already own the Ford, and it isn't that much larger.

I really like old machinery and sometimes it gets me into trouble.

Dennis

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wayne2

08-09-2007 17:23:41




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 Re: Case 310B: just saw it, for sale, but Ugggg-not sure on in reply to DennisT, 08-08-2007 23:50:11  
You can always repin the loader-where's it at!!!!



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Joe (Wa)

08-09-2007 01:05:52




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 Re: Case 310B: just saw it, for sale, but Ugggg-not sure on in reply to DennisT, 08-08-2007 23:50:11  
Well Dennis, with my fat fingered typing and dog walking, you have another post up faster than I can complete mine. You must be somewhere in the west to be up this late.

Anyway, if there are a pair of push-pull selector valves, it won't be exactly as I described, possibly another selector added for remote or hyd top link cyl. The loader I was referring to has single-acting lift cyl's & a double-acting bucket cyl. If you are use to DA cyl's all around, SA lift cyl's make a very slow loader.

I addressed the difference between the dual range shuttle and triple range with hand clutch levers in the post below. If you have triple range, then the lever on the left is a hand clutch.

The triple range gear train and hand clutch disc packs are in the torque tube housing just in front of the 4 speed transmission housing. The transmission (gear oil) housing and torque tube (hyd oil) housing are separate compartments. Look inboard the clutch and brake pedals and you can see where the two housings are bolted together.

Joe

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TimBinWV

08-08-2007 22:37:08




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 Re: Case 310B: just saw it, for sale, but Ugggg-not sure on in reply to DennisT, 08-08-2007 18:41:26  
BTW...the hydraulics are slow on my 310b,too. I'm hoping to cure that soon,though. I've adapted the pump from a 450 dozer to it. Hoping it helps!!!



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TimBinWV

08-08-2007 20:39:15




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 Re: Case 310B: just saw it, for sale, but Ugggg-not sure on in reply to DennisT, 08-08-2007 18:41:26  
Roundnose Case tractors are pretty well sought after...that being said,after reading your description,I'd say 2500 was a war price....who you fightin'?

LOL! Good Luck,either way!!!



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DennisT

08-08-2007 21:27:40




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 Re: Case 310B: just saw it, for sale-round/flat nose in reply to TimBinWV, 08-08-2007 20:39:15  
Thanks.
This is the flat nose with the twin headlights on top of the nose. I suspect the round nose are somewhat sought after as they are a little more period in design and pretty cute.

I'm going back in the morning. I wish I knew more what to look for on these....I'm totally new to the yellow-vintage Case tractors.

I wonder if this 3-cylinder loader was considered an, "industrial," loader. Can't image that, but it must have been common for these tractors.

Dennis

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TimBinWV

08-08-2007 22:33:07




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 Re: Case 310B: just saw it, for sale-round/flat nose in reply to DennisT, 08-08-2007 21:27:40  
If you go back,look and see if the transmission has a reverse gear in it. The industrial tractors had a 4speed foward with a shuttle shift. (tall shifter on left side of steering wheel). If it's yellow and P/S,and shuttle shift,and triplerange,and runs good with no smoke,even needing tires,what does it matter what it looks like? I'm one of those guys who can see the beauty of 50 years worth of wounds.

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DennisT

08-08-2007 23:31:55




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 Re: Case 310B: just saw it, for sale-more details in reply to TimBinWV, 08-08-2007 22:33:07  
Thanks. I believe I saw an, "R," cast into the trans. housing as part of the shift pattern. To the left of the steering wheel there is only the hand speed control. However, there is a long shift lever coming out of the left side of the transmission down by the operator's left foot. Maybe this is the shuttle lever.

Tractor does not appear to smoke when starting or when running. Hour meter says 3180, if it still works.

And, yes, in that sense, it doesn't matter what it looks like although I do like the look of well maintained equipment.

Finally, on the personal side, wife and I just decided to curb spending for a while and now I see this. Make that part a little more sticky too.

I've looked up all the 310 photos I can find here and still do not see this light loader this tractor has.

Thanks again,
Dennis

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Joe (Wa)

08-09-2007 00:24:57




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 Re: Case 310B: just saw it, for sale-more details in reply to DennisT, 08-08-2007 23:31:55  
In addition to the basic 4 speed transmission with reverse, 310B's came with an optional dual range shuttle or optional triple range, one or the other not both.

The dual range shuttle has a 2 position lever on the right side of the torque tube cover that is just in front of the transmission shifter cover. Forward is low, back is drive. Directly across on the left side of the same cover is a longer 2 position lever. Forward is astern and back is ahead.

The triple range has a 3 position lever on the torque tube cover just forward of the transmission shifter cover. Positions are high, low & direct drive. H, L, & D in shift pattern raised cast on that cover. Long lever by your left knee, entering the torque tube housing near the bottom and just forward of the clutch linkage pivot is a hand clutch that engages/disengages tractor ground travel. Forward engages for ground travel, back disengages stopping ground travel, pto continues running.

Joe

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