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430 deisel stuck crank and pistons scrap or not ???

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derik louisvill

07-15-2007 15:48:48




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I have a 65 430 deisel I took the head off filled block & pistons with oil .Let set 2 weeks still cant get to turn over .Any suggestions or should I start parting out ?? Bbought tractor as is so dont know if there are other problems they told me it would turn over. Guess they lied .




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JGarner

07-18-2007 08:24:31




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 Re: 430 deisel stuck crank and pistons scrap or not ??? in reply to derik louisville ohio, 07-15-2007 15:48:48  
Derick, if you decide to part this tractor out there are a couple of items that would fit my 630 that I would be interested in.

Gear shift cover assembly, choke cable, light switch and generator and maybe fenders, I will have to compare numbers.



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steven phelps

07-17-2007 17:47:06




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 Re: 430 deisel stuck crank and pistons scrap or not ??? in reply to derik louisville ohio, 07-15-2007 15:48:48  
fill the cylinders with diesel fuel. keep them filled.wait. it will loosen up if they are siezed from sitting.you just have to be patient. nothing works better than diesel. it disolves rust slowly. if you could put the whole block in a barrel it would be better still. if you part it out i want the power steering pump



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bradley martin

07-15-2007 18:06:30




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 Re: 430 deisel stuck crank and pistons scrap or not ??? in reply to derik louisville ohio, 07-15-2007 15:48:48  
What kind of condition is the tractor in? If it looks good, it is likely worth sleeves & pistons. If the rest of the tractor is pretty rough, parting it out might be your best option.



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Kevin5456

07-15-2007 17:59:54




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 Re: 430 deisel stuck crank and pistons scrap or not ??? in reply to derik louisville ohio, 07-15-2007 15:48:48  
How much did u buy it for?



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derik louisville ohio

07-15-2007 19:23:53




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 Re: 430 deisel stuck crank and pistons scrap or not ??? in reply to Kevin5456, 07-15-2007 17:59:54  
I gave 400.00 for the tractor had the head rebuilt.the injectors rebuilt ,and injector pump rebuilt so ive got about 1500-1600 in it at the moment tractor sat for 6 yrs before I got it



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old

07-15-2007 21:15:26




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 Re: 430 deisel stuck crank and pistons scrap or not ??? in reply to derik louisville ohio, 07-15-2007 19:23:53  
Clean out that oil and then mix turpentine and tranny fluid 50/50 and fill the cylinders and let it sit a couple of weeks. If it doesn't free up then put in a table spoon of gas in each cylinder on top of that mix and light it up and let it burn till it goes out. Then set a battery in it and hit the starter with short fast taps. If its going to free up it will after doing that. BTDT 20 plus times in the last 5 or 6 years and so far out of 20 plus engines only 2 haven't popped free

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JGarner

07-16-2007 06:50:53




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 Re: 430 deisel stuck crank and pistons scrap or not ??? in reply to old, 07-15-2007 21:15:26  
If the pistons are stuck how can you be sure the crank is frozen? Its sits in oil and should be OK.

DCTom and others have described taking an old spark plug and breaking out the ceramic and welding a pipe nipple or other similar threaded device so you can hook a hydraulic pump to it to get pressure on top of the piston. I would do this first before I would do the burning gas trick. Gasoline is very explosive and its explosive fumes make this a very dangerous operation.

I would fashion the hydraulic pressure adapter and use another hydraulic source like another tractor or maybe you have a small hydrauilc hand pump.

Drop the pan and crank. (You will do this anyway on a rebuild) then screw in your spark plug adapter and start adding pressure on top of the piston. This should break them free. Same proceudure for all pistons. Obviously you will need to put the head back on to do this, I am guessing you still have the reworked head off. See if you can get this done with the old head gasket and liberal coating of Permatex to help the old gasket seal for this operation. This way you won't ruin a new head gasket trying to free up pistons.

If Tom reads this he can give better intructions than I, I am just going from memory of his answer to an old post.

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