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430 Diesel

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Rustytractorguy

05-14-2007 08:04:45




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I am looking at a 430 and does it have live PTO. I emailed a guy who was selling one and asked and he said it was live but not independant. Does anyone know or understand what he means. Also I may want to restore it down the road, how are the parts/reproduction tins availability? Thanks much!




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D13

05-14-2007 08:39:14




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 Re: 430 Diesel in reply to Rustytractorguy, 05-14-2007 08:04:45  
Two different PTO setups. And few if any of the parts wil interchange in the 430.

Independent PTO, the PTO has its own clutch and is driven by a shaft from the engine that does not drive the transmission.

Live PTO (like mine) is driven via the transmission shafts. A second clutch (usually a hand clutch) disconnects the transmission output, allowing the PTO to keep running while the tractor stops. This is good for clearing a temporary clog but not handy for, say, shutting off the PTO spreader while turning around.

You can clutch and shift gears without stopping an independent. You cannot shift gears in a live without stopping the PTO.

Independent is gnerally more useful. But both will work if you understand what you are doing.

Another live but not independent is the Allis CA, where you disconnectteh final drive and let the differntial spin.

Another independent is the Ferguson design where the clutch step 1 disconnects the trans, and step 2 disconnects the PTO too.

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Bob N.Y.

05-14-2007 15:51:06




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 Re: 430 Diesel in reply to D13, 05-14-2007 08:39:14  
I have to take issue with your statement about the Ferguson 2 stage clutch. That is "Live PTO" by ASAE definition.



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D13

05-15-2007 09:34:57




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 Re: 430 Diesel in reply to Bob N.Y., 05-14-2007 15:51:06  
Correct, it's not a true independent like Olivers. But it allows you to shift the transmission gears so it can 'act' as an independent, much better thant the 403 which will not shift gears with PTO running.



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