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Is Power Red a good substitute for Flambeau Red?

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L.Lamp

04-13-2007 21:18:54




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I have been restoring my Case tractors with flambeau red purchased at Baumgaars. The color looks more red orange than orange. A friend just painted a DC with power red because that was what the dealer said he should use on his tractor. Which way does power red fall? Darker or lighter than Flambeau Red? I think power red looks like Allis Chalmers orange, kind of faded.




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Joe (Wa)

04-15-2007 12:33:46




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 Re: Is Power Red a good substitute for Flambeau Re in reply to L.Lamp, 04-13-2007 21:18:54  
aaaaah man, a can of flambeau spray paint that doesn't.



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Ralf from MI

04-15-2007 06:24:09




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 Re: Is Power Red a good substitute for Flambeau Re in reply to L.Lamp, 04-13-2007 21:18:54  
Hi guys, Hey I've been watching this unfold for the last couple of days. I got an SC thats going to be my winter project this year and I realy want to have the true color, so this question grabed my attention. However now I'm REALY confused, should I search for the allusive Flambeau or is there realy not that much difference to matter?



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Heinz 57

04-15-2007 12:01:40




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 Re: Is Power Red a good substitute for Flambeau Re in reply to Ralf from MI, 04-15-2007 06:24:09  
Fact is...Flambeau is not the same as Power Red...Period! With that said I'm going to get it from everyone, but I've seen line-ups of Flambeau tractors at Case shows and the ones that got painted Power Red stick out like a sore thumb. Many people can't tell the difference as either color looks close enough on its own, but you put them side by side, and its a big difference. I think 9 out of 10 of us agree on this if we're comparing a true Flambeau to a true Power Red. Here's where I think the trouble starts. Flambeau mixed by quart or gallon at an auto store vs the giant batch from Case is going to have more variation in shade and may actually be in between the two colors and therefore causing more arguments. For this very reason, professional painters who paint large rooms or painters who put 5 layers of paint on a car, often mix up all their paint by the gallon, but will blend all the gallons together in a large pail to be sure the color stays consistent for the very reason that it's impossible to mix it exactly the same every time. Take all these quarts times the number of auto stores who mix paint, because they each have different recipies because of the different paint companies they use and again times the number of guys doing the measuring and mixing and you will end up with a lot of in between colors that we argue about. If done properly, the color results shouldn't vary much, yet it happens all the time. One analogy I like to use is how you can give 10 cooks the same recipe for a specific meal, and they each go to their own grocer for the ingredients, go home to their own kitchen and use their own pots and pans on their own stoves, your going to get different results. I also beleive that if your going to go through all the work of repainting a tractor, why on earth would you paint it the wrong color on purpose. I can accept there will be off shades of Flambeau and off shades of Power Red, but I wouldn't paint a Flambeau series tractor Power Red on purpose.

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w

04-15-2007 11:06:25




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 Re: Is Power Red a good substitute for Flambeau Re in reply to Ralf from MI, 04-15-2007 06:24:09  
Read my message again i said that the dealer has both Power Red and Flambeau Red both are Labeled Power Red but have different part numbers on the can. GO TO YOUR LOCAL DEAL AND ASK FOR FLAMBEAU RED HE WILL GET THE CORRECT PAINT FOR YOU.

Walt

Sorry to yell but some people just can't read what I write.



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Walt Davies

04-14-2007 08:23:30




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 Re: Is Power Red a good substitute for Flambeau Re in reply to L.Lamp, 04-13-2007 21:18:54  
for some dumb reason Case has both the power Red and Flambeau Red paints labeled as power red. the differance is in the number on the can. Your dealer should have a chart showing which is which.
The Pint number is B17671LF
and the spray can is B17670N
Walt



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TexasWren

04-14-2007 17:19:56




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 Re: Is Power Red a good substitute for Flambeau Re in reply to Walt Davies, 04-14-2007 08:23:30  
I tried this out with the Valspar/BPS Flambeau red, and it's a very close match between their Flambeau and the power red with that part number. Both were new cans of paint, so I don't think any fading had happened in the can, even sitting on the shelf!



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watsonsgotit

04-14-2007 05:32:14




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 Re: Is Power Red a good substitute for Flambeau Re in reply to L.Lamp, 04-13-2007 21:18:54  
If you are buying power red from your caseih dealer, chances are it is really Flambeau Red. Power Red is more red than Flambeau Red. Flambeau Red has a more orange color to it. I think that they have their paint mislabled to confuse people. If you truely wanted Power Red, you would be very unhappy.



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other Will

04-14-2007 04:13:18




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 Re: Is Power Red a good substitute for Flambeau Re in reply to L.Lamp, 04-13-2007 21:18:54  
Used Power Red from CaseIH on my VA. Identical to some new old stock parts that were flambeau. Now use it to paint all flambeau equipment.



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dctom

04-14-2007 06:49:10




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 Re: Is Power Red a good substitute for Flambeau Re in reply to other Will, 04-14-2007 04:13:18  
VERY POOR SUBSTITUTE, FLAMBREAU IS MORE RED THAN POWER RED, POWER RED IS LIKE PERSION ORANGE UGGGGG!!



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other Will

04-14-2007 09:44:21




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 Re: Is Power Red a good substitute for Flambeau Re in reply to dctom, 04-14-2007 06:49:10  
Tom, you are not listening, it is identical to some NOS parts I have that are in very good shape.



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'30 Series

04-14-2007 12:15:12




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 Re: Is Power Red a good substitute for Flambeau Re in reply to other Will, 04-14-2007 09:44:21  
I used to think that too until I found some unfaded paint on a combine that was covered in grease since new and out of the sun. Remember, your nos parts even if still new, will fade just from sitting on a shelf if exposed to air.



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