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Install new tach cable on 311b

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hobbyfarmerinWI

04-03-2007 14:08:28




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Please walk me though how to install a new tach cable on my 1957 311b. I see that I have to take off the plate that the gear shifter goes into, but I have no idea how.

Thanks for the help!!




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bradley martin

04-04-2007 02:01:08




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 Re: Install new tach cable on 311b in reply to hobbyfarmerinWI, 04-03-2007 14:08:28  
An impact driver(looks like an oversized screwdriver that you strike w/ a hammer to cause it to turn) is the best bet for getting the countersunk screws that hold the battery tray out. When you replace them, coat them w/ "never seize"in case there is a next time.



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Joe (Wa)

04-03-2007 16:44:51




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 Re: Install new tach cable on 311b in reply to hobbyfarmerinWI, 04-03-2007 14:08:28  
The tach is driven off the hyd oil pump drive, front & left of the hyd control valve(s). The speedometer drive is in the transmission. I guess the question is, which one do you want to get working.

Joe



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hobbyfarmerinWI

04-03-2007 17:36:39




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 Re: Install new tach cable on 311b in reply to Joe (Wa), 04-03-2007 16:44:51  
OK, I feel foolish right about now. Just had it in my head the spedo/tach were reversed.

Now that I have looked at it again, how do I get the battery tray in and out to get the cable out and new one in? I can not get the ends of the new cable pass the tray with it in place.

Thanks again



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Joe (Wa)

04-03-2007 18:50:18




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 Re: Install new tach cable on 311b in reply to hobbyfarmerinWI, 04-03-2007 17:36:39  
The battery tray has 4 countersunk slot head screws, 5/16� - 18 x 1/2"L. You will probably have to soak with penetrate and then use a punch or cold chisel to break them loose. Chances are, you will break off one or more will and be into drilling and retapping if you break more than 2.

Cut the old cable and pull it. The original tach cable was about 35� long, if the new cable is longer, you might be able to reroute it with no sharp bends and avoid pulling the batt tray. I�ll look at mine tomorrow and maybe get a better idea.

The tach drive turns when the engine is running? Looking at the back of the tachometer, if you spin the brass drive sleeve CW with your fingers does the pointer jump? Don�t force it with pliers, use your fingers only.

Joe

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hobbyfarmerinWI

04-03-2007 19:23:06




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 Re: Install new tach cable on 311b in reply to Joe (Wa), 04-03-2007 18:50:18  
Just ran out to barn, and I can not turn the tach by hand.

Any fix here?



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Joe (Wa)

04-04-2007 00:09:25




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 Re: Install new tach cable on 311b in reply to hobbyfarmerinWI, 04-03-2007 19:23:06  
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Ok, let's forget about the tach cable for now.

Since your tach is stuck, the core of the old cable is probably (hopefully) twisted off. The gear in the tach drive head is plastic material and may be stripped also. It may turn with the engine running but slip or stop with a load on it. Unscrew the drive head to check the gear.

The tachometer is a drag cup movement, that means it is electro-mechanical. That brass drive that you tried to turn is attached to a magnet that is spun by the tach cable. The problem is the magnet, hour drum worm gear, and frame are ferrous and close enough to rust together. You can not force the brass drive or it will break free from the magnet and then it is junk. That is why I ask if the pointer jumps when you spin the brass drive CW. Yours is stuck, better than the drive turning and pointer not jumping, worth trying to fix in other words.

You will have to remove the tachometer from the instrument panel to soak it free. To get it out, looking at the back of the panel remove the screws on the left side gauge pod and wiggle it free, down & toward the front of the tractor. The tachometer, amp gauge & temp gauge will all come out and be inside the pod. The temp gauge is a gas actuated mechanical gauge, careful, do not cut or break the capillary tube or it is junk.

The tach movement is mounted in the pod with 2 screws. Unscrew the wick oiler container on the side of the drive if so equipped before loosening the mounting screws. Before you start soaking, screw the container back in to plug the opening but leave the wicking out.

The pix is how I soak them free. That is a short piece of hose clamped to the thread on the drive. I use Kroil or PB Blaster penetrate and fill up the hose. Protect the hour drum as the penetrate may soften & ruin it. Soaking free can be hours or weeks. After it has soaked for a couple days stick the square end of your old cable core in the drive and wiggle it back and forth, no force, if it doesn�t move very easily continue soaking.

The whole process can be tedious and frustrating, you may get it freed up and still have other issues with it like rusted gearing for the hour drum, broken spinal spring, etc. If you lack time to be patient or get disgusted, I highly recommend contacting Roger Hornbaker by email [email protected]. He restores 300 cluster gauge panels, does superb instrumentation work, and is as nice a guy as you�ll ever deal with.

Joe

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