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Case VAC 6 volt system

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Rugertime

03-04-2007 16:16:34




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Just confirming that with a 6 volt system the postive post of the battery should be grounded to the frame the the negitive is tooked to the alternator?

Thanks!




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Joe (Wa)

03-04-2007 18:46:10




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 Re: Case VAC 6 volt system in reply to Rugertime, 03-04-2007 16:16:34  
There are postive gnd alternators out there like this one on ebay but I've never run into one on a tractor conversion.

Joe



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Walt Davies

03-05-2007 10:31:54




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 Re: Case VAC 6 volt system in reply to Joe (Wa), 03-04-2007 18:46:10  
Thanks Joe 40 years as a mechanic and never saw a 6 volt Alternator now I know something new.

What did they do change the diodes to get the voltage down.

Walt



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Joe (Wa)

03-05-2007 22:40:54




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 Re: Case VAC 6 volt system in reply to Walt Davies, 03-05-2007 10:31:54  
Walt, I don't know how they do that. I don't think it would be too hard to figure out if you could a get an electrical schematic that I.D.'s the electronic components and are familiar with the 10SI.

Joe



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mj

03-04-2007 20:34:24




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 Re: Case VAC 6 volt system in reply to Joe (Wa), 03-04-2007 18:46:10  
If he's not going for original (generator) why would he stay with 6v & positive ground? I don't get it.



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Joe (Wa)

03-04-2007 23:34:00




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 Re: Case VAC 6 volt system in reply to mj, 03-04-2007 20:34:24  
Ah mj, everyone does not have you experience and expertise. I don't recognize this poster's handle, do you? As far as I know he may be a medical doctor with a 231 IQ, nominated for the Nobel prize next year for the cancer cure and still not know the difference between a gen & an alt.

I just pointed out that it is possible to have a 6v pos gnd alt on the tractor. It is also possible to buy 6v & 12v pos gnd kits for an alt at the link below and lots of other places.

I spent 30 yrs working as a marine engineer (20+ as Chief Engineer) and 4.8 years as a submarine snipe before that. I have trained numerous assistant engineers right out of college and marine academies with a smart sheet and an engineer�s license that didn�t have the engineering expertise that God gave a goose. That was just inexperience, not lack of intelligence. I learned to keep it simple and point out all possibilities till I got a handle on their potential. That is a hard habit to break, even though my posts are likely irritating and too long winded for many regulars here.

Anyway, I just counted the empty beer cans, I had 2 before supper, just swilled 2 more while writing this post and the night is still young. Not only that, I quit smoking Fri for the 13th time this year, your post upset me so bad I went out and dug around in my truck and found a carton with 8 packs. I�ve chain smoked 4 cigs and will probably smoke the rest of the pack before bedtime. I�ll probably have a heart attack before morning and it is all YOUR FAULT.

Joe

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mj

03-05-2007 16:21:40




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 Re: Case VAC 6 volt system in reply to Joe (Wa), 03-04-2007 23:34:00  
Joe said: "I have trained numerous assistant engineers right out of college and marine academies with a smart sheet and an engineer�s license that didn�t have the engineering expertise that God gave a goose. "
Made me laugh! I worked in an engineering lab back in the '60s as a 'Mechanical Technician' which meant drafting, prototype machine work and 'go-fering'. I was sitting at my drawing board one day when one of the newly-hired Mechanical Engineers with a Masters degree tacked on came over and asked me if I could tell him how many threads per inch there are on a 4-40 screw. After I exhaled and counted to 10, I suggested that he go ask someone with a PhD . However, I believe that our friend 'Rugertime' just had a momentary lapse, as we all do, and typed alternator when he was thinking generator. As for the smoking - just go ahead on ..... it's your life after all. And remember: It takes more will-power to finally give up trying to quit than just quitting! :-)

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Joe (Wa)

03-06-2007 00:04:25




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 Re: Case VAC 6 volt system in reply to mj, 03-05-2007 16:21:40  
Mj, I like that 4-40 screw thing, don�t remember getting one like that thrown at me. Seems like the more smart sheets these guys collect, the dumber they get on basics. I can�t complain, they have saved my butt more than a few times over the years.

Man I am beat, forgot the day-after damage a six pack & cigs does to my body. Many years ago I was on a vessel that pulled into Mazatlan, small town then. Me and this other fool went to a little canteen to try some tequila. I don�t think the tequila was one of the premium brands, as I recall the name on the label was JACK@SS. I am like �one tequila � two tequila � three tequila � FLOOR �.. sick for days.

I am not sure your smoking theory is good advice for this old geezer. I have lots of will-power, just have to figure out where I put it last time.

Joe

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mj

03-05-2007 12:31:10




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 Re: Case VAC 6 volt system in reply to Joe (Wa), 03-04-2007 23:34:00  
Sorry, Joe! But what the hey?!? Think I'll go see if there's a PBR in the box with my name on it. :-)



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Rugertime

03-05-2007 11:09:16




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 Re: Case VAC 6 volt system in reply to Joe (Wa), 03-04-2007 23:34:00  
Joe,

I am not a medical doctor, but I do have a job that doesn"t allow me to get my hands greasy as often as I would like to.

Wow, didn"t mean to get you worked up to the point you took up smoking again... I did miss speak, I should have said generator, not alternator. The system is stock 1950. Does it than have a positive ground? And if so, does that mean positive terminal is grounded? I would like to leave it stock for the most part. With that said though is there minor things I can do without going to an alternator to improve performance?

Thanks in advance.

Dave

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Joe (Wa)

03-05-2007 23:35:51




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 Re: Case VAC 6 volt system in reply to Rugertime, 03-05-2007 11:09:16  
The tractor is over 50 years old and may have changes that appear original but are not. The tractor was definitely factory positive gnd. I don�t know what model year specific electrical changes occurred, just earlier and later. (how�s that for a cya disclaimer?). If the engine has a distributor as opposed to a mag, the coil primary terminals are marked + and -. The wire between the coil and the dist should be on the + terminal of the coil for positive gnd systems. The engine will run either way, just better with the with the correct polarity. Don�t expect a lot from these gen�s, output is 8 - 10 amp tops.

EARLIER (probably yours)

The generator is 3 brush type with a cutout mounted on top. The light switch may be 3 position, and if so, also part of the charging system. The gen 3rd brush is moveable and is used to adjust the gen output by changing the contact point on the commutator.

LATER

The gen is 3 brush type with a voltage regulator mounted on top. The 3rd brush is not moveable. The gen output is adjusted in the v reg. As I remember it, the adjustment is done by bending the tang on one of the contact points (I can probably hunt that info up if you need it. Perhaps some kind soul will chime in and rescue me.)

Mj is a real good guy, I was just pulling his chain. His website has a complete VA series manual that covers your tractor and many other interesting things. The link below is the first of 2 pages in that manual that pertains to the gen.

Link

Go to that page and down at the bottom G2 T5 click on the pix to enlarge and then bring up the next page to continue. There is not much useful info here but one of those 2 gens is yours if orig.

Now go to this link under Research & Info > Articles on the left side of this page.

Link

The page is generic but describes the function of 3 brush generator, cutout, light switch, etc and has other useful electrical info. There are other articles under R & I that you may find helpful.

If your gen has zero output, the residual magnetism may have bleed off or it could have been flashed with the wrong polarity and it will need to be polarized. Polarizing is a simple process but you need to positively identify the correct terminals in the v reg or on the gen.

I am going to end this here, about all I can do long distance. All my tractors are now 12v neg gnd w/alternator and the original gens and 6v components are long gone so I can not pop out to the shop and eyeball anything to refresh my memory.

Joe

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kestrel CT

03-05-2007 05:02:23




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 Re: Case VAC 6 volt system in reply to Joe (Wa), 03-04-2007 23:34:00  
Hey, lay off those cigarettes ! A lot of us non-professional types need your expertise and thorough explanations of things. Please, think of the rest of us around here.....



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mj

03-04-2007 16:48:17




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 Re: Case VAC 6 volt system in reply to Rugertime, 03-04-2007 16:16:34  
What you said if you meant generator not alternator.



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