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Ken Christopher

01-30-2007 18:57:07




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Hello all! Long time no talk! Don L, I think you may remember me as FarmallCaseKid. 1941 Case SC (center exhaust) up in Coon Rapids, MN. Just wondering if you have any leads on hood/air intake elbow for center exhaust style? And DCTom, Wondering if you could look up the build card on my SC. S# 4501960 SC. Anything interesting you might be able to pull up?

Now for the real stuff. About 8 years ago, I started tearing down my first tractor (1941 SC) which was left to me by my grandpa. You may be able to view my pictures in the website still. Anyways.. Took me about 5 years to complete-being that I was 12, I had to cut a lot of lawns to pay for parts. It took a while. So after new rings, a boiled 5618 (shaved) head, rebuilt magneto/generator/starter, carb kit, resurfaced valves, new engine gaskets. It ran pretty good for the first couple years-02 thru 04. From 2004 to summer of 2006 it sat in storage-not the best-but we sold the lake home, and I had no other place to put it. Figured I would get it out and do some tuning up. New coolant. No leaks there. Good. Drain the oil. COOLANT IN THE OIL! posted a forum, and was told it is probably a bad O-ring on #4 cylinder. So a $4.50 O-ring is going to take me to a complete engine teardown. Wondering if I should just tear it all the way down. I eventually want to go through the whole tractor, and at this point in my life (20 years old) I figured I may as well start it now, and if I don't have it back togeather for two years, then so be it. I know it needs brake seals. Water pump should be gone through. I also would like to see about getting the block welded behind the carb. At one time I believe it may have thrown a rod (one because there are 3 5/8" oversized pistons in it, and two because of the patch behind the carb) The patch is about 6-7" long and 2" high directly behind the carb. I have taken the patch off that was on there, and there is no hole, it is almost like there is jbweld smeared into where there was a hole. The problem is, with the patch, there are about 20-30 small bolts tapped into the block securing the patch on-not to mention some RTV gasket maker to prevent any leaking courtesy of myself- How in the world would I go about repairing this patch without spending a fortune?!?! I know it costs quite a bit to weld cast iron, from what I have been told $100.00-$250.00 per inch! It is the original block, so I would hate to mismatch numbers, but if that is what it would take to get it running right, then I will have to do it. But it has ran fine the past 20, 30, 40, 50 years with this patch. One last thing. It had a Marvel Schebeler carb on it when I started the project, and originally got it running. Just this past summer I replaced it with the original Zenith. Adjusted as per the repair manual, fine tuned, and checked the flow of fuel and air. Still wouldn't run without having the choke on. It would actually backfire into the carb and I would get this faint popping sound. Any ideas? Sorry to rant, but it has been QUITE a while. Good talk!

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Don Livingston

02-01-2007 04:58:14




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 Re: DCTOM and Don L and all in reply to Ken Christopherson (Farma, 01-30-2007 18:57:07  
I had about 5 of those pipes made at a muffler shop, via a friend. Best to drop the oil pan and see if it is dripping at the sleeve. If used sleeves where used, electrolysis eats where the O-ring rides, heavy on the the backside of # 4 sleeve, [or all]. Light sand blasting, expoxy the divit, turn it smooth it off in a lathe. Or buy a new sleeve.
Waterpump must be fixed.
Your block can be left alone, I should be a ribbed at that serial #. Not the worst to find a replacement if you want. Carb idle passage may be pluged, the passage above the butterfly. You are 20 years old, go have fun. Tractor looks very nice in the pic! I like "center exhausts" !!!!
Don L.

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Don Livingston

02-02-2007 05:42:04




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 Re: DCTOM and Don L and all in reply to Don Livingston, 02-01-2007 04:58:14  
If I can find them. I will sell them. I haven't seem them around lately. But they are here somewhere.
Don L.



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Ken Christopherson (Farma

02-02-2007 05:05:10




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 Re: DCTOM and Don L and all in reply to Don Livingston, 02-01-2007 04:58:14  
Are you selling he center air cleaner pipes?



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toomanycases

01-31-2007 23:59:01




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 Re: DCTOM and Don L and all in reply to Ken Christopherson (Farma, 01-30-2007 18:57:07  
Hi Ken, There is a used center xhaust for a SC on ebay 130073219124. Said it has a chip out of it?? You would probably be better off getting one from Don Livingston. Good Luck on your SC. Chuck



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C. Amick

01-31-2007 09:38:33




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 Re: DCTOM and Don L and all in reply to Ken Christopherson (Farma, 01-30-2007 18:57:07  
If you are not yet ready to spend some big bucks, I would try sealing off the piston sleeve "O" ring leak with some block sealer. You can buy it at your local autoparts store. You add it to the radiator. It works using water, so you will have to drain the coolant and refill it with coolant after you have treated the engine. You will also have to get the engine up to the sealant manufacture's recommended running temperature for it to work properly, which might be a little difficult in cold weather. There was a block repair article in Old Abes news a while back. The guy used pipe plugs and ground them off smooth (no welding). It is a low cost repair, but takes a lot of time.

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JGarner

01-31-2007 11:14:51




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 Re: DCTOM and Don L and all in reply to C. Amick, 01-31-2007 09:38:33  
The pipe plug trick is a modification of the block lacing operation the engine rebuilders use. The only difference is that pipe plugs are alloy steel and the lacing process uses cast iron plugs so it expands and contracts like the base metal and pipe plugs don't. Over time I question the viability of the dissimilar metals and feel that it may cause problems in the long run.



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JGarner

01-31-2007 06:10:52




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 Re: DCTOM and Don L and all in reply to Ken Christopherson (Farma, 01-30-2007 18:57:07  
Welding cast iron is tricky. The reason the SC block on Case 400's tractor continued to crack may have been due to poor weld procedure. Cast iron needs to be welded with nickle rods and the weld area needs to be preheated to approximately 600 degrees F before welding. Then after welding the area needs to be peened to remove the tension stresses caused by welding. A needle peener works best but I have read of folks simply pounding the heck out of the area with a small ball peen hammer. Long and short of it is that when you tear the tractor down to fix the leaking o-rings is the time to do the welding.

If the crack is truly a freeze crack, there is another method that engine rebuilders (especially large diesel truck engines) used called lacing. You can buy lacing kits. It consists of a special drill bit, tap and threaded cast iron plug sections. Start drilling about half a hole past the end of the crack and drill in, not all the way through, then tap the hole. The tap is a tappered tap like an NPT pipe thread. The threaded rod is then screwed in until it breaks off in the hole. Then the process is repeated. Starting by drilling in with about half a plug overlap, tapping and screwing the plug in, etc. until the complete crack has been done like this.

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Case400

01-30-2007 21:09:08




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 Re: DCTOM and Don L and all in reply to Ken Christopherson (Farma, 01-30-2007 18:57:07  
Hi Ken, glad to see you got your grandpas tractor. I got my first SC when I was 18, I'm now 21 and the Tractor looks like new. Since then i've got a 55, 400 and a 50, VAC. Between my uncles and me we probably have a dozen SC's and a dozen Big 400's. Both great tractors. I would more than likly say the crack in your SC was caused by freezing. Waybe water was left in there instead of antifreeze at some time. I have seen 3 or 4 SC with a crack in that same location. (must have been the weak spot) One of my uncles who does welding for a living tried to repair one, but the block cracked elsewhere. The cast iron does not like to expand and contract at the rate it takes to weld it. but then again some people may have had luck doing this.
As far as your carb problem goes, I would check and make sure you have all the holes correctly placed and punched in the gasket you got in your kit. I once got a kit that came with a gasket that had a hole missing.
Hope this helps, Case400

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AllanC

01-30-2007 20:24:24




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 Re: DCTOM and Don L and all in reply to Ken Christopherson (Farma, 01-30-2007 18:57:07  
I think I'd jusr leave the patch. Call it character marks.



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