Case 830 3 point hitch problem...

Also, the lever down low to the left of the seat, I believe, is supposed to turn the PTO on and off. It appears the PTO is stuck "on", regardless of the position of this lever.

Could these issues be related? Are they relatively easy fixes? Thank you for any info you might offer.

Then I did a little experiment. Without even starting the tractor, I turned the PTO shaft by hand, and found that I could spin it slowly. I then made sure the tranny was in gear and spun it again. Same thing, I could spin it slowly. Then I engaged the T-handle, and found I could no longer spin the shaft by hand. This leads me to believe that everything is probably working right, and that I am just experiencing the kind of cold-weather action some of you all described. It has been getting down to the single digits here at night.

As for the blade hydraulics. It is a manual blade, and there is nothing connected to the quick-disconnects. So my guess, based on all of your information, is that once again everything is working right and that my inexperience is merely showing.

I really appreciate all of your insight and information. The more I look at this tractor, the more fascinated I am by the "tank like" construction of the thing. They really built these things to last! I am impressed by the amount of cast iron and solid steel rod that I am finding. Seems like the only sheet steel I am finding is the cowlings, and the seat!

In fact, there are some photos posted already at:

Link

That's our subdivision website.

One thing I have noticed is that if I run the blade down too low, the upper link of the 3-point interferes with the levers coming out of the top of the hydraulics valve body, jamming them in the down position. The tractor came with an adapter that bolts over the PTO which allows for another link point, but if we mount the loader, we can't use it. I don't remember if the pump body for the loader has a link point as well.

You could probably forego the pump for the loader and hook directly to the tractor hydraulics since you have 4 remote points. If you really want to use the loader pump, I think the loader pump can be mounted on the front power point. I have seen some done like this and it looks like in the photos you have a mounting point and the power take off coupling is cover by a little bolt on guard. The pump was used on tractors that only had 2 remotes so as not to occupy the remotes in case they were needed for a rear mounted implement.

Good looking old 830. Ours was a standard non adjustable wheel variety. Also looks like some one has converted your eagle hitch arms to the modern kind. (Substandard I think, but you can't always have everything!)

Yup, that top link came right off the Indonesian boat and was still in the cellophane a couple days ago.

I just got back from taking some measurments from the loader. Does "Farmhand" and what looks like a model number "F11B" mean anything to you?

I wanted to make sure everything would fit. The loader has mounting brackets which bolt to the rear axle and place the upright arms about 1 foot in front of the rear axle. Then there are some arms which come down at approx. a 45 degree angle from the top of the rear uprights, and are 74" long. It looks like I would have to fabricate a mounting point up front somewhere, using the bolt holes in the sides of the tractor.

Went outside just now and took a look for the front PTO power point you mentioned, but I don't know what I am looking for and didn't find one.

If I use the tractor hydraulics, do I then have to operate the second lever on the tractor at the same time as the levers on the loader? Or is there a hydraulic point that has constant pressure? The less moving parts, the better, I figure. Plus, we are going to have several folks volunteering to do road work, and I want it to be as simple as possible.

I just got outbid on a service manual and steering wheel center on Ebay, so I will have to check out the top link you mentioned as well! Thanks for the heads up.

Look for mounting points just below the grill screens on the front of the tractor. I see a hole and what look like threaded mounting holes in the casting. In side the big hole I see what looks like a cover for an internal spline. Looks like it has 3 bolts to take it off. Check this out. Can you post a photo of your hydraulic pump on your site? Call Farmhand or a Farmhand dealer and mke sure that loader is compatible with the 830. Not all loaders fit all tractors. Farmhand makes a good loader, but you need to make sure it is compatible with the tractor.

I am going to look at my 630 tonight and see what it looks like. Completely different tractor, but it may have some similarities.

It appears the rear brackets for the loader are there, they bolt to the rear axle housing. The arms which head toward the front look like they will mount alongside the motor, but I might have to fabricate the mounting brackets. I saw a photo today on the internet of the same model loader on a John Deere, and could see the brackets which appear to be missing on this one, unless the fellow has them in one of his sheds at the equipment yard. I sent an email to AGCO/Farmhand today to see what they have to say.

I also posted a message to 630crazy, one of my Case pen pals, his folks also had 830s and 930s. He has not answered but "CHess" has and reiterated his message in THIS string. He gave complete instructions on how to hook the loader hydraulics into the Case sytem to make it operate independently of the remote hydraulic lever. Using his instructions you can hook up to the tractor hydraulics and operate the loader off its resident controls AND use a rear mounted implement with a hydraulic cylinder as well since the loader and implement would operate independently.

My second post with CHess comments is on the forum's first page right now and starts "630crazy-Loader on 830". I think CHess' instructions will fix you up.

JG

The info made perfect sense as far as the hydraulics are concerned. There is a set of hoses with some kind of "quick disconnect" fittings on them mounted to the rear, and one hose is disconnected and plugged with a pipe plug in the "valve body" (correct term?). Maybe the fitting was leaking, so someone plugged it.

The PTO is maybe another story. Is the lever to the left of the seat the PTO brake? Or the lever which turns it on and off? (I need to get a manual for this thing!) No matter which position it is in, the PTO turns. I did grab the PTO with a leather gloved hand, at a REAL low idle, and wasn't able to stop it no matter which position that particular lever was in.

Thanks again for the info! I am pretty ignorant when it comes to tractors so I am learning new stuff every day.

As for the blade and hydraulics, I believe if you hook the hydraulic hose back up you will find 2 things:
1. Why it was unhooked.
2. Whether the hydraulic blade adjusters work or not.

If the tractor hydraulics make noise when you pull the handle its not the tractor, its working fine.

If there is a Mfg.s plate on the blade, I would contact them and see if they have a book on it you can buy, if not, help answer your questions on the operation of it.There are 830 manuals on ebay all the time.

Don't give up on the 830, it was one of the best tractors we ever had. About a 63 model, Eagle hitch, diesel, dual range transmission and plenty of power. It should do a good job for you.

If the PTO is not needed for anything, just let're turn until you can figure out how to adjust or fix the clutch.

I am impressed by the sheer bulk of it's construction every time I see something from a different angle. It seems it was really built to last! It's like a tank. I don't think I've seen that much cast iron in one place for a long time. We're going to move this one down to a remote New Mexico land subdivision for road work, but I already want to get one of my own!

As for the PTO, we might just be utilizing it if we get the front-end loader that the same fellow I got the tractor from has for sale. It has a pump that bolts onto the PTO.

Stopping the pto shaft with your hand is a bit of a safety issue to me, but suit yourself.

Larry

If the blade is hydraulically adjustable are the hydraulic lines hooked up to the tractor remotes? Your description sounds like you are activating the remotes against a closed system. When doing the a loud chatter is heard as the system tries to pump against closed ports.

Our 830 had a live PTO with a wet clutch. When the weather was cold or the syetm at ambient temperature there would be enough drag to cause the pto to turn, but would not turn a drive shaft ('53 SC did this too). With the lever in the off or pushed down position and the engine idling try to stop the PTO shaft with your hand. If you can the system is normal. If it were stuck in the engaged postion you would not be able to stop it.

Hope this helps.