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Leak from pto shaft

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Gregory K. Sode

12-30-2007 17:44:55




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I'm considering buying a WD that the seller says leaks about a cup of Hydraulic Fluid a month from the PTO shaft. Is this a serious thing?
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Brian G. NY

12-31-2007 14:19:05




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 Re: Leak from pto shaft in reply to Gregory K. Soderberg, 12-30-2007 17:44:55  
I find the thing that tears up the seal most often is hay wadding around the shaft and working its way in to the seal. This happened to my WD a few years ago and I pulled the housing down to change the seal. It happened on my WD-45 this past summer and I decided to try to remove the PTO extension shaft and pull the cap off the housing just to see if the seal could be replaced without pulling the whole housing off.
It can be done this way but I found in this case that the hay was causing the seal to leak but had not yet ruined the seal so I got off easy.
The seal is common and I picked up mine for the WD at NAPA. A-C #224779 National #s 470950 or 6241S. BTW, I devised a guard and installed it while I had the PTO shaft off. I will have no more hay winding up in the seal on the WD-45!

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stu (ON)

12-31-2007 05:07:11




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 Re: Leak from pto shaft in reply to Gregory K. Soderberg, 12-30-2007 17:44:55  
If it only leaks a cup per month, it isn't serious and doesn't need immediate attention. However, the PTO is the lowest point in a major lube reservoir that includes the PTO, wet clutch, transmission and differential. It should contain the heavier 80W90 lube rather than the lighter hydraulic fluid or 10W or 20W non-detergent oil called for in the hydraulic system reservoir.

Hydraulic oil can leak into the large reservoir through a leaky seal; not uncommon and a major maintenance project.

As JMS/MN notes, replacement of the PTO rear seal is not a major pain. However, the new oil seals will be very thin compared to the original Chicago Rawhide seals of 55 years ago. The stub shaft is often scored and it may be difficult to stop leakage with a new sleeve alone. The use of a Speedi-Sleeve might remedy the situation. If not, new stub shafts are available for $120, or you might find a good used one considerably cheaper.

As long as the heavy lube has been kept topped up, no damage will have occurred. However, if not kept up, serious damage will occur to the wet clutch, possibly followed by the transmission.

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JMS/.MN

12-30-2007 17:53:30




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 Re: Leak from pto shaft in reply to Gregory K. Soderberg, 12-30-2007 17:44:55  
There is a seal on the rear side of the housing, on the output shaft. Not difficult to replace.



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