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Allis C with Wide wishbone front end?

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Don Seymour

12-13-2007 10:11:40




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Hello again.

I have an Allis C that the serial # says is a 1942. In my research Allis made the C in either a single wheel front, or a dual narrow front, or an adjustable wide front end. This C has a wide wishbone front end like a B. think someone somewhere put a B front end on it, or did it possible come factory with it?
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DRS




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Daryl from Louisiana

12-27-2007 09:03:21




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 Re: Allis C with Wide wishbone front end? in reply to Don Seymour, 12-13-2007 10:11:40  
A friend of mine has an Allis C that has a high wishbone front end and some drop axle housings made by the Thompson Equipment Co. in Thibodeux, La. They used to modify Allis-Chalmers for use in the cane fields. I think they are out of business now. You might try Cane Equipment Co. in Plaquemine, La. They are a big dealer and still in business, don't know what brand now, but use to be Allis. Hope this helps. Daryl

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Don Seymour

12-27-2007 15:23:26




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 Re: Allis C with Wide wishbone front end? in reply to Daryl from Louisiana, 12-27-2007 09:03:21  
I know this tractor came from potato country herre in western new york. Perhaps the dealer modified it for use at the time of sale?

I know the die hards will question the front end on the tractor, and perhaps justifiably so!

DRS



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DARDAN

12-23-2007 05:29:01




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 Re: Allis C with Wide wishbone front end? in reply to Don Seymour, 12-13-2007 10:11:40  
Have to disagree with the assumption that a wide front is no better than a tricycle.
When you side hill a tractor with a narrow front, only 10 degree tilt will start shifting the engine weight out beyond the front tires-- quickly. The more tilt, the more extreme the weight shift.
With a wide front tractor, it takes an extreme side tilt to shift the engine weight out beyond the front tires.
That is why utilty style tractors became the norm in hilly parts of the country.
Operate a loader on a wide front, then on a narrow front, the adrenelin rush will convence you in a hurry.
If you still think I'm wrong, play with a couple of toy models on a slanted board.
The old Famall Cubs with their off center constuction were nasty about falling over easily on one side, but not the other. You had to side hill with the engine on the up side to minimize tipping.
Both wide and narrow have pros and cons, but wide is safer.

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Donald Seymour

12-23-2007 12:15:37




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 Re: Allis C with Wide wishbone front end? in reply to DARDAN, 12-23-2007 05:29:01  
While crusing the internet, I have found a couple of images that show a "C" with a wishbone front. For the purposes of a "restoration" can it be assumed that this tractor possibly had a B front end put on it by the dealer? Never been to a show as an participant, and dont want to be laughed off when i show up with this when I am done..



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dittmerku

12-14-2007 05:23:14




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 Re: No Such Luck in reply to Don Seymour, 12-13-2007 10:11:40  
Hi Dick, this is new to me. I'm glad you brought it up. I was always under the impression that a wide front was safer or more stable on slopes because it would be more difficult to tip a four point wide base as opposed to a three point base. Kind of like the old three wheelers as opposed to the quads everyone has today. I guess I'll just stick to my narrow front on the WD I have and be happy.



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Dick Lemmon

12-13-2007 10:42:43




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 No Such Luck in reply to Don Seymour, 12-13-2007 10:11:40  
They did not come from the factory that way. Some were switched because they thought the tractor would be more stable with the wide front. Nothing could be farther from the truth but still thought that way by many. The only way it could help on a side hill would be to install blocks so the front axle could not pivot. Once the rear wheels are to a danger point the front axle still thinks the tractor is level. Once the rear tire on the high side lifts off the ground the pivot point of the front axle has a long ways to go before it could help. That is a false security.

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Texas Denny

12-13-2007 16:15:30




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 Re: No Such Luck in reply to Dick Lemmon, 12-13-2007 10:42:43  
Dick, I agree with your analysis completely. But now, the false security is there and it will never go away. Usually the wide front steers easier and reacts less when hitting an obstruction like a rock. Hence I prefer them about half the time. The other half of the time, I dislike the wider turning radius and the difficulty in getting close to fences in the corners and the extra space it takes in the shed (for the wide front).

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Dick L

12-13-2007 18:38:49




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 Re: No Such Luck in reply to Texas Denny, 12-13-2007 16:15:30  
No disagreement here Denny. A wide front wins on plowed ground the first time over hands down. If you have watched my posts you know that I hate to miss a chance to make a point no mater how unpopular it might be. (:^D



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old

12-13-2007 12:18:18




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 Re: No Such Luck in reply to Dick Lemmon, 12-13-2007 10:42:43  
Nice 88 you have sitting in the back ground



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