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HOW TO PUT A STARTER ON A MODEL B ALLIS CHALMERS

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BOB WEBB

12-10-2007 15:38:24




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The Allis Chalmers Model "B" ( I was told it was a 1948 but I think it was made before 1940 and has a arched front axle) that I have is hand crank, and it did not come with a starter or genarator,there is no place for one. Someone told me that I could build a bracket and put a starter/genarator on the side to act as a starter, Has any one ever heard of this and if so where can I get the parts and what would I need.I have read that there was a Model"B" Special made that came equipped with electric lights, self-starter, radiator shutter,muffler and oversize tires. Any help would be great Thanks, Bob

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loveshisallis

12-11-2007 16:30:51




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 Re: HOW TO PUT A STARTER ON A MODEL B ALLIS CHALMERS in reply to BOB WEBB, 12-10-2007 15:38:24  
Bob;

I see those setups you need on that fleabay auction and I"ll bet you can get that to work on the B. Let us know how it works out.



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DS Mi

12-11-2007 15:31:02




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 Re: HOW TO PUT A STARTER ON A MODEL B ALLIS CHALMERS in reply to BOB WEBB, 12-10-2007 15:38:24  
Bob I thought about doing that myself.We get attatched to theese little tractors and don't want to trade.I think it would work but I wonder if the water pump can take the side tention? Be brave my man and be sure to let us know how it works. DS



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b owner

12-11-2007 04:54:51




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 Re: HOW TO PUT A STARTER ON A MODEL B ALLIS CHALMERS in reply to BOB WEBB, 12-10-2007 15:38:24  
Correct way, you need a torque tube from a B, C, or CA with the starter hole. Then you need the starter, battery tray (or make your own), the back of the toolbox tin needs to be trimmed (or swapped with correct one and sell your rare part. the flywheel needs to have the ring gear on it.

I've heard of poeple using a starter that drives thru the belt pulley or PTO. Would seem to be pretty easy to set up but a PITA to operate.

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steve(ill)

12-10-2007 19:30:37




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 Re: HOW TO PUT A STARTER ON A MODEL B ALLIS CHALMERS in reply to BOB WEBB, 12-10-2007 15:38:24  
started building the B in 1938. No starters thke first couple years. Had hand brakes also.. About 1940 MOST came with starters, and the foot brake system. Also started building the model C in 1940. They built 125,000 Bs up till 1958. You can buy a doner tractor and take the torque tube, flywheel, and starter off it. Also need the battery box, and modified sheetmetal under the gas tank to get the box to fit. I think for most people it would be easier to trad for a different B.

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old

12-10-2007 18:05:01




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 Re: HOW TO PUT A STARTER ON A MODEL B ALLIS CHALMERS in reply to BOB WEBB, 12-10-2007 15:38:24  
Some of the IH cub lowboys used them but I don't think they would have enough torque to spin a B engine over plus it would cost you around $300 just for the starter/genny and then another $100 or more to wire it up. Why not fined a dead B that has a starter and take the parts from it to put a starter on yours. Shoot if the torque tube from a C would fit a B I have a couple of them and then all you would need is the starter, and flywheel.

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Dick Lemmon

12-11-2007 06:47:24




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 If It Would Be Of Help Old in reply to old, 12-10-2007 18:05:01  
The only difference in the B and C torque tubes is the C torque has the taped holes for the steering bracket.
Yours would work fine on a B. Mud Dobbers would fill the holes in no time if not used. (:^D



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George Andreasen

12-10-2007 17:37:00




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 Re: HOW TO PUT A STARTER ON A MODEL B ALLIS CHALMERS in reply to BOB WEBB, 12-10-2007 15:38:24  
The starter/generator units will crank over a good sized Briggs (or similar) engine, but will it produce enough torque for a four cylinder B? I'd get some good info from the factory first. The regular starter has the leverage advantage by engaging the outside of the flywheel, while the starter/generator can only be fitted to one of the smaller engine pulleys..like the crankshaft.
If you're determined to have electric starting, your only choices are to either obtain a starter type drive tube then fit a ring gear to the flywheel. OR...you could offer to trade/swap your earlier B to a collector for a later electric start model. If you think about it you might have a nice rare little tractor there! Why not just keep it in top tune and enjoy?

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loveshisallis

12-10-2007 17:17:48




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 Re: HOW TO PUT A STARTER ON A MODEL B ALLIS CHALMERS in reply to BOB WEBB, 12-10-2007 15:38:24  
Howdy;

I think what that other guy is talking about is using the combination starter/generators that would be used on many garden tractors. The special regular/relay that is used with this "switches" it one way to start the tractor, and then "switches" it hte other way to charge. I hav enever used or worked this way, but I"ll be willing ot bet it would work. I know that I have seen this for sale on fleabay. good luck

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