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Agco ?? Engine

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IA Roy

12-05-2007 20:08:57

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I just saw an ad for an Agco Tractor with what they called an Agco engine.

What is the history behind this. I was under the impression that they bought all their engines. How much manufacturing does Agco do? I also saw an add for a Massey Ferguson tractor. Why do they still have Massey and all the other tractors melt into Agco?

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01-03-2008 07:58:34

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 Re: Agco ?? Engine in reply to IA Roy, 12-05-2007 20:08:57  
Its not really an AGCO engine but a SiSu diesel built by Fendt or Same which AGCO aquired. I really wish they would have stayed with Cummins or gone to a Cat diesel since they bought the Challenger line from Cat. This will probably end up like the Deutz engines where at the time they great but in 10 or 15 years nobody has parts or the service department wont touch them. I have a Gleaner with the Deutz engine which is a great engine but nearly impossible to get parts for or serviced.

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J.C.in AZ.

12-07-2007 13:40:52

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 Re: Agco ?? Engine in reply to IA Roy, 12-05-2007 20:08:57  
Case in point: In a previous Posting I noted that I looked at some Massey Ferguson Tractors a golf course const. co. had parked on their lot I had Buisness to be at. Just for fun I checked all [7] the Id Tags for Country of Mfg. they ranged from U.K-Great Britian[I know ,the same] Brazil,Poland,Balarus[Russia?] Spain and Italy and a Ford 1700 sitting there was made in Japan. No USA or Canadien made in the lot.Does any Tractor Co. in the USA make Tractors here any more? Is the Challenger and the large Deere and CIH amd New Holland Tractors made here or do we only think they are? I have looked at so many small Tractors with unfamiliar names that I can figure out the story with them.

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cadet trooper

12-08-2007 14:44:55

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 Re: Agco ?? Engine in reply to J.C.in AZ., 12-07-2007 13:40:52  
The only thing I can tell you JC is that there hasn't been an american tractor under 100hp in over 20+ years and longer for 60hp and under.

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John (C-IL)

12-06-2007 06:15:45

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 Re: Agco ?? Engine in reply to IA Roy, 12-05-2007 20:08:57  
Even though Massey may not not be big here in the states they are big world wide. Agco didn't acquire the Allis Chalmers name because the Deutz guys wanted to kill Allis any way they could. Happily the Allis guys that worked for Deutz and became AGCO didn't feel the same way. The Oliver and Minnie names disappeared during the White debacle. That leaves us with the Allis Gleaner Company, (AGCO).

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856 puller

12-06-2007 11:18:04

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 Re: Agco ?? Engine in reply to John (C-IL), 12-06-2007 06:15:45  
I worked at an allis dealer from 85-95 and can confirm that the deutz guys were difficult to deal with for sure. but after agco was formed things got alot better fast. we dont have a dealer close anymore so i dont know what is going on now. i do know our agco service rep for the area still he is the best by far compaired with deere case and claas

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no deeres here

12-06-2007 05:08:15

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 Re: Agco ?? Engine in reply to IA Roy, 12-05-2007 20:08:57  
Agco bought out Sisu Valmet a couple years ago. I was told that eventually pretty much everything will be Sisu powered. Ecxellent engines by the way.

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Bill in IL

12-06-2007 04:53:58

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 Re: Agco ?? Engine in reply to IA Roy, 12-05-2007 20:08:57  
Dealer here said all tractors under 100hp will be massey now. Agco will have the larger ones.

I agree with you too the engine would be a cummins or duetz or at least I though.

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