Welcome! Please use the navigational links on your left to explore our website.

Company Logo Shop Now
   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver
 
Marketplace
Classified Ads
Photo Ads
Tractor Parts

Community
Discussion Forums
Project Journals
Tractor Town
Your Stories
Show & Pull Guide
Events Calendar
Hauling Schedule

Galleries
Tractor Photos
Implement Photos
Vintage Photos
Help Identify
Parts & Pieces
Stuck & Troubled
Vintage Ads
Community Album
Photo Ad Archives

Research & Info
Articles
Tractor Registry
Tip of the Day
Safety Cartoons
Tractor Values
Serial Numbers
Tune-Up Guide
Paint Codes
List Prices
Production Nbrs
Tune-Up Specs
Torque Values
3-Point Specs
Glossary

Miscellaneous
Tractor Games
Just For Kids
Virtual Show
Museum Guide
Memorial Page
Feedback Form

Yesterday's Tractors Facebook Page

Related Sites
Tractor Shed
Ford 8N/9N Club
Kountry Life
  
Allis Chalmers Discussion Forum
:

Crack in lower side of Model C block

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
Don Seymour

11-30-2007 15:59:40




Report to Moderator

Been stripping down a 1942 c for restoration (i guess, what a deep hole ive gotten into) and discovered a foot long crack in the lower side of the engine block, about 4 inches up from the pan. Ive looked over the forums, and see that crackes inbetween the liners/cyllinders is common, but done see anyone who has had this experience. Any thoughts? I am looking for another block, but think this may be worth repairing, if not a structural issue (worry about it breaking in 2).

Thank you in advance.

A junk-yard sucker!!!

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
J. Wondergem

12-01-2007 14:00:44




Report to Moderator
 Re: Crack in lower side of Model C block in reply to Don Seymour, 11-30-2007 15:59:40  
If it were mine..... Depending on the condition of the motor. If it needs overhauling anyway, I get another block. If this one is in real good shape, I weld it. Either Braze it, or weld it with nickel. I don't care for nickel substitute.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
ohio

12-01-2007 11:31:30




Report to Moderator
 Re: Crack in lower side of Model C block in reply to Don Seymour, 11-30-2007 15:59:40  
It will have to be welded by someone with some experience, and it would be cheaper to find another block. They are a dime a dozen, and most are in good condition.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Dick L

12-01-2007 11:22:40




Report to Moderator
 Re: Crack in lower side of Model C block in reply to Don Seymour, 11-30-2007 15:59:40  
I thought you wanted to restore it. If all you want to do is patch it and want it to just hold water Bondo will do it. I bought a used car that had a water crack coated with Bondo and it never leaked. Walmart sells a putty hanging with the JB Weld that is made by JB Weld that is better than the two tube JB Weld for that kind of patch. They also sell what is marked water putty that is the same stuff. The guy on TV is selling the same thing.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Don Seymour

12-01-2007 11:30:51




Report to Moderator
 Re: Crack in lower side of Model C block in reply to Dick L, 12-01-2007 11:22:40  
SO DICK,

IN YOUR OPINION, IF I AM RESTORING IT, I SHOULD FIND A GOOD BLOCK, AND DO IT RIGHT?

YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT. i GUESS I JUST NEED TO HEAR IT FROM SOMEONE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THEN ME.

I dont plan on takeing any trophies in that this is my first restoration, and i am about as handy as my dog at doing these things, but i dont want it to be an embarassment, or break in 2 while loading it some day.

DRS

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Dick L

12-01-2007 13:54:01




Report to Moderator
 Re: Crack in lower side of Model C block in reply to Don Seymour, 12-01-2007 11:30:51  
Not at all Don. To me restoring is to repair all parts needing repaired to bring it back as close as possible to the way it was new. Stitching or welding then grinding it smooth would make the crack last as well as new after painting. Patching might hold just as well.
Some will clean and paint and call it restored. Like an ad I saw a few years back. Total restoration--Like new- Smokes. I wondered if it had a favorite brand of cigarettes or the guy thought some new tractors smoked. I thought it was funny. I would have never been interested in answering and ad that was written like that.
My comment was in regard to the other suggestions how to patch the crack. Nothing wrong with a patch.
Go after your tractor with what ever you have to work with and you will be tickled when you are done with what you have accomplished as well as all that you will learned . I have been doing this stuff for years and I have yet to have what I would call a show tractor.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Phil Johnson

12-01-2007 08:17:31




Report to Moderator
 Re: Crack in lower side of Model C block in reply to Don Seymour, 11-30-2007 15:59:40  
I've repaired many cracked blocks using a Devcon product called plastic steel. It is similar to JB weld but a stronger industrial repair product. Drill a small hole at each end of the crack. Grind a shallow groove down the length of the crack with a coarse disc. Mix the Devcon and overfill the crack. Let it cure, grind off excess and paint. I've never had one leak or come back.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Don Seymour

12-01-2007 09:48:40




Report to Moderator
 Re: Crack in lower side of Model C block in reply to Phil Johnson, 12-01-2007 08:17:31  
Does Jbweld or similar products do anything structurally like a weld would?

I think i attached a picture for you all to peruse.

Big long Crack.

http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/ff261/sentnc/?action=view¤t=Picture22.jpg



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Don Seymour

12-01-2007 09:48:27




Report to Moderator
 Re: Crack in lower side of Model C block in reply to Phil Johnson, 12-01-2007 08:17:31  
Does Jbweld or similar products do anything structurally like a weld would?

I think i attached a picture for you all to peruse.

Big long Crack.

http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/ff261/sentnc/?action=view¤t=Picture22.jpg



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Don Seymour

12-01-2007 09:52:28




Report to Moderator
 Re: Crack in lower side of Model C block in reply to Don Seymour, 12-01-2007 09:48:27  
Try this for a picture!

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff261/sentnc/Picture22.jpg



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
NWMO 901 SOS

12-01-2007 15:14:45




Report to Moderator
 Re: Crack in lower side of Model C block in reply to Don Seymour, 12-01-2007 09:52:28  



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Kentb of SWMO

12-01-2007 07:01:54




Report to Moderator
 Re: Crack in lower side of Model C block in reply to Don Seymour, 11-30-2007 15:59:40  
Drill a hole at each end of the crack to stop futher cracking. Buff the crack area real good, cover with a layer of J-B Weld. Continue with the rebuild.

Kent



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Don Seymour

11-30-2007 18:07:37




Report to Moderator
 Re: Crack in lower side of Model C block in reply to Don Seymour, 11-30-2007 15:59:40  
Oh, BTW, the crack does go all the way through, and is about 1.25 ft long!



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
J. Wondergem

11-30-2007 17:25:22




Report to Moderator
 Re: Crack in lower side of Model C block in reply to Don Seymour, 11-30-2007 15:59:40  
Drop the pan, and see if the crack is on the inside too.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Dick L

11-30-2007 16:27:05




Report to Moderator
 Re: Crack in lower side of Model C block in reply to Don Seymour, 11-30-2007 15:59:40  
It could be stitched. Any cracks that were the length of the block probly is at the bottom of the water jacket. They can be welded but the cost of a good weld job would most likely be more that a different block. The stiching can be done yourself. You can order a stiching kit from NAPA. It is just tapered screws that are drilled and taped. After the first screw is in and tight it can be ground flush and then you center the drill at the edge of the new screw and repete until you have covered the crack with screws. You drill out half of each screw to put the next one in. Just time and a drill along with the kit. More expensive than welding if you hire it done.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
fordtractor2000

11-30-2007 16:24:56




Report to Moderator
 Re: Crack in lower side of Model C block in reply to Don Seymour, 11-30-2007 15:59:40  
hey don, my C had a crack in the block behind the genny that had been there for like 30 yrs or so as i was told by my stepfather, it was about 4 inches long and was only discovered after they started to clean the gunk off the engine, it was ok for a long time until it cracked between the cylinders. As for fixing it if it doesn`t have any oil passages or anything behind it maybe but i`d try to find another block, were are you located I may be able to help you out i`m in NY

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
old

11-30-2007 16:22:34




Report to Moderator
 Re: Crack in lower side of Model C block in reply to Don Seymour, 11-30-2007 15:59:40  
Sounds like you have a crack from coolant freezeing and thats not good. You might be able to get it fixed but you would be better off with another block, which I happen to have 2 of. LOL



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Don Seymour

11-30-2007 18:06:03




Report to Moderator
 Re: Crack in lower side of Model C block in reply to old, 11-30-2007 16:22:34  
Thank you for your prompt replies. I appreciate it.

The crack is below the coolant jacket, and in the oil reservor area. prior owner(s) never covered the exhaust, and the crankcase filled with water and froze. when we tore down, the radiator and block were still filled with antifreeze, so i am confident they are ok. All else looks pretty good right now. the tractor actually looked real good, thats why i got taken (smitten)at he junk yard. silly me! I am looking for a good block, but the uppers on tis appear good, and thats why i am contemplating repair.

Oh, im in western new york, near letchworth state park (grand canyon of the east).

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Another block

12-01-2007 17:11:32




Report to Moderator
 Re: Crack in lower side of Model C block in reply to Don Seymour, 11-30-2007 18:06:03  
There is a guy (Ed) in Owego NY has lots of C blocks, he is good to deal with and reasonable.
Call him 607 687 3735 - not that far from you...



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Don Seymour

12-01-2007 17:31:20




Report to Moderator
 Re: Crack in lower side of Model C block in reply to Another block, 12-01-2007 17:11:32  
Thankyou. I will try him.

DRS



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
old

11-30-2007 18:54:28




Report to Moderator
 Re: Crack in lower side of Model C block in reply to Don Seymour, 11-30-2007 18:06:03  
Shipping would be very high from here to there, I'm in Missouri the lake of the ozarks area



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Today's Featured Article - Talk of the Town: Modern Diesel Fuel in an Old Tractor - by Staff. This interestin discussion is from the Tractor Talk Discussion Forum. Remember that safety is your first priority - make sure you know what you are doing before attempting a potentially dangerous activity! ... [Read Article]

Latest Ad: I have A narrow front end from 65 Massey and also a front guard for a 65 Massey call or e-mail for price. [More Ads]

Copyright © 1997-2020 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy