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Loose steering in a 1950 model b

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Rick Green

11-26-2007 00:20:38




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Thanks to many that have helped at the discussion board my sediment bowel and radiator have beed fixed, all that is left is the loose steering problem, how do I approach the problem, must I remove everything, or can the problem be diagnosted and adjusted in place? Can worn internal steering parts be repaired or do I look for new? How do I begin?




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Eldon (WA)

11-26-2007 22:42:22




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 Re: Loose steering in a 1950 model b in reply to Rick Green, 11-26-2007 00:20:38  
I just changed out a Ross steering shaft on an IB. If the set screw adjustment doesn't work, you have to take the whole steering box/steering wheel/tool box off in order to get the RH side cover off. Use a gear puller to pull off the steering arm first, remove the 4 bolt cover on the opposite side and the steering shaft will slide out. If the steering "button" is pressed in, you should be able to punch it out. Replacements are available (email me at [email protected] for a source). If the button appears to be part of the shaft, you might be ahead to build it up with weld and grind it back to the required shape.

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Rick Green

11-26-2007 22:59:56




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 Re: Loose steering in a 1950 model b in reply to Eldon (WA), 11-26-2007 22:42:22  
thanks, I will try the adjustment set screw approach first



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George Andreasen

11-26-2007 04:18:27




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 Re: Loose steering in a 1950 model b in reply to Rick Green, 11-26-2007 00:20:38  
After all that I forgot to explain that the steering CAN be adjusted! I just assumed that it was worn like most of them.
Look at the side of the steering box. You should see a screw with a locking nut. With the front wheels pointing straight ahead, loosen the locknut and turn the screw in. Move the steering wheel back and forth to see if any play has been removed. Do NOT run the screw all the way in..leave a tiny bit of play in the steering to prevent the wheel from locking up at the worst possible moment. If you can't adjust it to your satisfaction it probably needs to come off the tractor as I mentioned before.

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George Andreasen

11-26-2007 04:09:17




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 Re: Loose steering in a 1950 model b in reply to Rick Green, 11-26-2007 00:20:38  
You probably have a Ross type steering unit and they're fairly simple. I think first I'd shake the tie rod and other components and see if there's any play. Then turn the wheel and see if the pitman arm begins to move immediately or lags behind. If so, the worm or stud inside is worn. At this point it helps to have a good manual as you'll have to remove the steering box. This requires removing the gas tank, tool box (sheet metal shroud), battery box etc. Remove the steering column and disassemble the unit going by the book, paying close attention to the location of bearings and shims. On my B the worm was fairly good but the stud that rides in the groove was worn to a frazzle. I didn't know replacement studs were available, so I arc welded on more metal and ground it to shape checking the fit every so often. When I was satisfied I reassembled everything with fresh gaskets and seals. Most restorers these days put a zerk fitting on the steering box and refill with grease but I used 600wt gear oil meant for the rear end of a model T Ford. The whole job was easier than it sounds and the steering is now nice and tight.

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Rick Green

11-26-2007 04:38:28




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 Re: Loose steering in a 1950 model b in reply to George Andreasen, 11-26-2007 04:09:17  
excellent detail, it gives me the confidence to tackle the steering box



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