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Pat-CT

10-28-2007 18:35:22




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im considering getting a wd45 for my next tractor ither before winter or mid winter as another project and was wanting to ask a few questions if thats ok.

is there 3 point hitches available how many plows on average can they handle 2,3?
can they handle bailing hay if needed are they comforable to use for an hour at a time im 16 so getting on and off isnt a problem any weakness on them like trnsmision or heads would you recomend buying one

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Pat-CT

10-29-2007 12:56:12




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 Re: researching new tractor in reply to Pat-CT, 10-28-2007 18:35:22  
any trouble with the hand clutch and what is the traction control you talk about



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John (MO)

10-29-2007 14:06:16




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 Re: researching new tractor in reply to Pat-CT, 10-29-2007 12:56:12  
No particular trouble with the hand clutch. Like anything mechanical they can be worn out, but it certainly isn`t common.

In tough pulling conditions the traction boost system transfers weight from the implement to the tractor to reduce wheel slippage. It is part of the Allis Chalmers proprioritary hitch system that is typically know as a Snap Coupler system. Some 3 point conversions will allow the traction boost system to work to various degrees and some make it totally ineffective. You just can`t beat the way a snap coupler plow works with a properly adjusted traction boost system. You ought to get a WD or WD45 operation manual so you will know more about the tractors before you start looking at one to buy. It is a whale of a good 10 buck investment. Also the book: Allis-Chalmers Farm Equipment 1914-1985, by Norm Swinford is WELL worth it`s price and will tell you a GREAT DEAL about all the AC tractors. It is wise to know about the different tractors before you deside which ones you are going to consider. A little investment in information up front can save you big dollars down the road.

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John (C-IL)

10-29-2007 18:41:17




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 Re: researching new tractor in reply to John (MO), 10-29-2007 14:06:16  
Just a little piling on here, but the others are right. The WD45 was the best bang for the buck in 1953-1957 and is still one of the best bangs for the buck. As far as the ride I can see why some would say that, but as a 50 year veteran of the WD45 I have to say that I enjoy the ride even on long days of cultivating or plowing. THe traction booster is a great system with snap coupler equipment. Parts, both used and new, are readily and the tractor is one of the simplest to work on. The hand clutch is one of the best and is pretty much trouble free unless it is abused or run out of oil. And there is no better sound than that 226 cubic inch engine opening the governor under load.

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rich4

10-29-2007 09:56:40




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 Re: researching new tractor in reply to Pat-CT, 10-28-2007 18:35:22  
Another comment, last one I drove was when I was 16 and hours on end driving it did not seem uncomfortable, even my dad did not think it was uncomfortable. With the 13" wide loaded tires I am sure it made some difference or a padded seat. We used it on a bailer and it worked well, Using the hand clutch gave it ind PTO. We had only a subsoiler as snap coupler implement and the traction control worked. The tractor allways had more power than we needed and lasted for 20 years with no repair work before we sold it, but we never abused anything. Listen to what everyone has said and check out a potential buy. WD-45 good choice.

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stu (ON)

10-29-2007 07:06:56




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 Re: researching new tractor in reply to Pat-CT, 10-28-2007 18:35:22  
As far as a weakness, one notable issue is with the PTO. They are strong enough for rotobalers and the like, but come up a little short withstanding the shock load of brush hogging. Even with the proper grade two shear bolts, constant heavy hogging seems to take its toll on the gears of the PTO driveline. I expect that the brute strength of the WD45 makes it more susceptible than the WD to gear stripping.
I don't know if brush hogs were even in general use back when these old girls were engineered.

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Mr. Bob

10-29-2007 20:23:18




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 Re: researching new tractor in reply to stu (ON), 10-29-2007 07:06:56  
"Brute strength" well describes a WD45. In my experience they are right on the same page with the MF65 and the Ford 860.



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John (MO)

10-29-2007 06:44:56




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 Re: researching new tractor in reply to Pat-CT, 10-28-2007 18:35:22  
I`ll echo what most of the others have said about the power and performance of the WD/WD45, but add a few comments. Don't be too quick to put on a 3 point conversion. There are lots and lots of many of the snap coupler implements, like plows, around. The AC Traction Boost system works wonderfully with a snap coupler plow but not nearly so well to not at all with a 3 point plow. And hooking up a snap coupler implement is a snap (pun intended) compared to a 3 point implement. For some implements it won`t make any difference, but for a plow and a disk, you`ll throw rocks at a 3 point if you`ve used a properly adjusted snap coupler. Also BE SURE and check the transmission of any tractor you look at buying. A lot of people tried to shift the tractors on the go or using the hand clutch alone. In many cases this has caused a lot of wear in the transmission gears and now the tractors want to jump out of gear. This can make them practically unusable and also can be a very expensive fix. To test the transmission: After making sure the tractor brakes work well, drive the tractor down hill in each gear with the throttle pretty well open, and then quickly close the throttle. This will cause engine braking and put the load on the back side of the transmission gears and this is when you most easily find a bad transmission. Don`t get caught buying a tractor with a bad transmission without knowing it, as you could spend as much to fix it as the tractor cost to begin with. Now they can be fixed but you don`t want to end up with $4000 dollars in a tractor when you could have bought a different one and only had $2000 in it.

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Clay in MI

10-29-2007 05:44:55




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 Re: researching new tractor in reply to Pat-CT, 10-28-2007 18:35:22  
In my opinion the WD and WD45 are the best value in the small tractor market. You'll be hard pressed to find a more capable tractor for less money than these two in any color. And AC made nearly a quarter of a million of them so parts are easy to find and reasonable.



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jeffalex2

10-29-2007 03:33:54




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 Re: researching new tractor in reply to Pat-CT, 10-28-2007 18:35:22  
An Allis WD45 is a wonderful tractor...I always wanted one too, but, wound up with a Farmall Super M instead. The WD45 or WD will do everything you're asking about and be comfortable as well. The WD45, if you can find one, will be more fun than the WD, just due to shear power. When you get it, make sure the rear tires either stay loaded or have alot of weight on them...you'll need it to put all that power to the ground...

Good luck...

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Dean A. J.

10-28-2007 20:28:31




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 Re: researching new tractor in reply to Pat-CT, 10-28-2007 18:35:22  
Comparing the WD to my "B" John Deere. I can ride the "B" all day. Within an half hour my back is killing me using the WD.



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old

10-28-2007 19:31:34




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 Re: researching new tractor in reply to Pat-CT, 10-28-2007 18:35:22  
There others have told you a lot but, you need to know what to look for as to weather its a WD or WD45 they are different modles/HP. The WD will have a bolt on plate on the right hand side of the engine and most have a sright shifter up till the very late ones. The WD45 will not have that plate and the shifter will have a little curve to it. The WD comes in around 34HP and the WD45 is around 43HP. Just looking at the to of them from say 20 feet you can't tell them apart and man WDs are sold as WD45 and they aren't but the engines can be rebuilt with WD45 engine parts and that makes them have the WD45 power but they are still a WD. If you wheren't so far from me I have both a WD and a WD45 that I would sell you

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CAL (KS)

10-28-2007 19:18:44




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 Re: researching new tractor in reply to Pat-CT, 10-28-2007 18:35:22  
yes 3 point hitches are available both for working draft control or solid mount. 3-4 hundred depending on where you get it.

plow bottoms are always arguable and differs with dirt type.. but...2 easy 3 yes 4 good dirt maby slow.

good for baling hay cause they have slower first gear than WC and Hand clutch allows live PTO

like most old tractors cumfy for an hours yes... but a full day.. you can handle it if your 16

sometimes transmissions can jump out of gear caused by gear grinding test drive will tell.

great little tractors.

and remember.. just because it says WD doesnt mean it wont have a much power as many were updated to the 45 crank. other than power they are pretty much identical.

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Harry J. Case

10-28-2007 19:13:58




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 Re: researching new tractor in reply to Pat-CT, 10-28-2007 18:35:22  
Hey Pat That little WD45 was absolute dynomite in it's day and still very impressive, I think you will love it if you get one if it's in good shape. There are after market 3 point hitches available and it certainly has plenty of steam for a three bottom plow. Enjoy, Harry



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