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WD45 voltage regulator

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Rodney E. Axfor

10-21-2007 08:19:55




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Can someone tell me what excites the cutout on the generator? My neighbor bought the tractor which has a 8 volt battery in it. The original light switch is gone. the battery goes dead. on checking the wiring we found that the field wire is not connected to anything. grounding the wire did not activate the generator. Next we tried a six volt regulator which wouldn't excite. I suppose because 8 volt battery was telling 6 volt regulator it didn't need any charge. back to the cutout, it won't close by itself and if the points are manually closed, they won't open when the engine is shut of. What do you suppose would happen if we tried a 12 volt regulator with the 8 volt battery. Rod

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kendak

10-24-2007 15:11:23




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 Re: WD45 voltage regulator in reply to Rodney E. Axford, 10-21-2007 08:19:55  
put a one wire GM alt. on it & 12 volt battery & change any light bulbs out & be done with it....Kent



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Steve in NJ

10-23-2007 04:21:38




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 Re: WD45 voltage regulator in reply to Rodney E. Axford, 10-21-2007 08:19:55  
Sounds like you have Peaches, grapes and Apples here. You need to start from scratch because you have to much hodge-podge going on. First off, get yourself a new 6V Battery and fully charge it. Always start with a fully charged power source. Next, renew the cutout relay. Sounds like the relay retired itself from service. Get yourself an OEM 3 pos. light switch (as John mentioned) and mount it in the Ammeter panel free of rust and paint so it's grounded correctly. Next, inspect all wiring for condition and routing. Make sure all wiring is connected to it's proper designated spots. Take the Generator down to a local rebuilder and have it tested to make sure your Gennie is up to snuff on the charging chores, and if it's a 3 brush, have him adjust the rate at a max of 15 amps. Most shops usually don't even charge you for testing. Make sure you have the correct size battery cables to do the job for 6 volt systems. There's no need for an 8V Battery unless there's something wrong somewhere with the system. (ie- wrong cables, bad starter etc)The 6V system relies on it's grounds to work properly. With everything checked out and correct, providing the starter motor is in good shape, that tractor should fire right up, run, and charge correctly. You can get any of the parts mentioned above from us, or locally if you want, doesn't matter. What does matter is that you have your system back the way it originally was and up and running correctly. The 6V system is as simple as the tractor it's connected to, so there isn't any need to have confusion going on with it. If you think you need a new wiring system, we can help you with that also... HTH
Steve@B&B

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soundguy

10-22-2007 07:14:36




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 Re: WD45 voltage regulator in reply to Rodney E. Axford, 10-21-2007 08:19:55  
make sure the bat is charged.. polarize that genny by jumpering bat to arm.

Now do the test the other poster talked about.. IE.. ground the field and look for charge.

Try a motor test as well... slip belt off, ground field, jumper bat to arm.. if genny spins.. it should charge.. if it don't spin.. I suspect it won't charge..

soundguy



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John T

10-21-2007 08:55:22




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 Re: WD45 voltage regulator in reply to Rodney E. Axford, 10-21-2007 08:19:55  
Rodney, You just got too many things goin on lol so lets get back to the basics. First of all if you have a correctrly wired and working light switch field current control system going on, the lights switch MUST HAVE A GOOD GROUND or it wont ever charge. The gennys field post must have a good wire to the switch and then it dead grounds the field for high charge but via a small switch mounted resistor for low charge.

HOWEVER if you simply dead ground the gennys field if the genny is good???? it will still charge (even that 8 volt battery) and then ifffff ff the cutout relay is good???? it will latch closed so the gennys output is then connected to and can charge the battery. Buttttt t at shutdown the relay MUST open so the battery dont reverse discharge via the genny.

TRY THIS Dead ground the gennys field n see if the cutout relay (it must have a good ground) pulls in and she charges then??? If not, leave the field dead grounded n jump by pass around the relay by temporarily jump connecting its BAT and GEN together n see if she charges then?? Once the field is dead grounded and the relay is by passed around if still no charge the genny is bad assuming the battery is okay n all else is wired correct.

Sooooo if you had a new switch (not expensive or hard to wire) and a working n grounded cutout relay, that would solve your charging problem ifffff the genny is good (and it should still charge an 8 volt battery although NOT at any super high charge rate, butttt depends on the genny and battery conditions) !!!!

Next, you obviously need a working Cutout Relay. It also must have a good case ground (usually to the gennys case) and the way it latches in is cuz it has a higher resistance small wire shunt winding and when the gennys voltage rises the relay closes afterwhich its other bigger wire series winding holds it closed.....

YOU NEXT GOTTA DECIDE HOW YOURE GONNA PROCEED

If the genny is good and the cutout relay is also good, it can still charge an 8 volt battery with no other mods. Also you need to either dead ground the gennys field (always high charge) or Id get a new correct light switch is best. ALSO if its an adjustable 3 brush genny Id set it to max charge if youre gonna use an 8 volt battery.

NEXT its possible to convert to a full fledged Voltage Regulator (it also must be grounded and Id set a 3 brush genny to max charge) buttttt ttt if you wanna charge an 8 volt battery, the VR may or may not need adjusting. If it ONLY has a current control relay it may still work buttttt tttt if it has its own Voltage Control relay (a 3 coil VR) orrrrr r a combination Voltage/Current (a 2 coil VR) it needs adjusting.

BOTTOM LINE RECOMMENDATIONS Id trash that odd ball weird troublesome 8 volt system !!!!! !!!

Id buy a correct light switch (not expensive or hard to wire),,,,, ,buy a good working 6 volt cutout relay,,,,, ,,,,,but a good heavy duty highest rated 6 volt batetry you can get that still fits in the battery space,,,,, ,,,use 00 gauge Battery n Starter n Ground cables,,,,, ,,,hook er up n polarize the genny and assuming the genny is okay youre good to go and it will be original n correct n not jury rigged

If you insist on a voltage conversion go ahead n make it the standard 12 volts NOT AN ODDBALL 8 VOLT

Again it possible to convert to a full fledged VR, 6 or 12 volts, no combination charge n light switch needed, set the third brush (if it has that) to max charge.

Nuff said, its your move

John T

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Bob

10-21-2007 08:48:37




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 Re: WD45 voltage regulator in reply to Rodney E. Axford, 10-21-2007 08:19:55  
You need to set the voltage up on the 6-Volt regulator to about 9.8 Volts to keep the 8-Volt battery fully charged.

A 12-Volt regulator would simply make the generator charge it's guts out all the time, and boil the battery.

OR, you could simply put it back to 6-Volts. With GOOD, big battery cables and all the electrical connections clean, bright, and tight, it will crank just just fine.



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