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D14 Synthetic oil change

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Ohio D14

09-27-2007 05:57:44




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I just purchased a D14, and live in Ohio. I plan to use the tractor to farm 20 acres, so I would like to replace the fluids with synthetic oil. I dont have my maint manual yet, but have found the recommended oils online at the link below. My question is; Can I use 10W 30 synthetic engine oil for the Engine, Final Drives, Power Steering, Power Director Clutch, and Hydraulic Pump and Belt Pulley since they are similar in their numbers?

I have just started posting on YT, and this forum is absolutely great. My philosophy is, not only in the dictionary, does research comes before wrenching.

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patsublett

09-27-2007 09:50:32




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 Re: D14 Synthetic oil change in reply to Ohio D14, 09-27-2007 05:57:44  
I use synthetic in every thing I own including a 1955 2 ton truck. I use to haul several pallets of concrete mix on the truck. I had one long hill to pull and the heat gauge would go a little past normal. Some one told me that it might run cooler with synthetic. I tryed it, it didn't run any cooler but I allways had the same load over the same hill. I would come over the hill with the accelerator petal on the floor max speed 55MPH. With the synthetic it come over the hill at 60 MPH. What is good for new iron is good for old iron

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Ohio D14

09-27-2007 06:50:44




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 Re: D14 Synthetic oil change in reply to Ohio D14, 09-27-2007 05:57:44  
I have converted my nissan car with 100 k miles to synthetic, and it does very well. I realize this engine technology is superior, so the comparison is questionable. I have an old john deere lawnmower that needed oil and a plug cleaning after every hour of use. I put 50 wt synthetic lower end lube in the crankcase, and the smoke stopped, and the plug has not been out since. The engine runs like new.

Again not a true comparison, but my thoughts are that there is a synthetic oil weight that is good for the tractor, and will minimize leakage, and wear, and increase a small amount of hp. I just need to find the correct combination, and hopefully that oil would work for several applications.

Is synthetic hydraulic oil and engine oil different?

Thanks for all the help!

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Texas Denny

09-27-2007 07:06:25




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 Re: D14 Synthetic oil change in reply to Ohio D14, 09-27-2007 06:50:44  
Synthetic hydraulic oil would probably be either low detergent or no detergent. It is hard to find out what is in these oils so it is even harder to determine if there will be a problem. Hence, my estimate is that it is an experiment of unknown outcome. Other than gaskets and seals, the metal parts are not likely to be damaged by the correct weight lubricant. If an engine has been run with non detergent, switching to any detergent oil is a risk. I've never seen synthetic gear oil.

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Woodbeef

09-28-2007 15:24:21




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 Re: D14 Synthetic oil change in reply to Texas Denny, 09-27-2007 07:06:25  
Royal Purple has the best coverage out there when it comes to synthetic lubricants.



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David Grubb

09-27-2007 11:35:40




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 Re: D14 Synthetic oil change in reply to Texas Denny, 09-27-2007 07:06:25  
Valvoline offers a synthetic gear lube. I have no experiance with it.



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Ohio D14

09-27-2007 07:26:20




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 Re: D14 Synthetic oil change in reply to Texas Denny, 09-27-2007 07:06:25  
I hear you, I remember the company I worked for had the old timer maintenance guy replace the oil in the shop air compressor. The guy used to take out one quart out of 10, and replace it with 1 qt of new oil, but never changed all of it at once.

The company finally forced him to change all of the oil, and the thing seized up in less than a week.



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Texas Denny

09-27-2007 06:36:34




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 Re: D14 Synthetic oil change in reply to Ohio D14, 09-27-2007 05:57:44  
If your only doing 20 acres, it wouldn't seem that the synthetic experiment is not worth the risk. If you have a new tractor, it may be worth the risk - the tractor company may have done the experiment and could give you results. But on a 50 year old with limited knowledge of its lubricant history, leaks are going to be a major concern. Once a leak starts, going back to the former lubricant type will probably not stop the leak.

Engine: probably OK if the engine has always had high detergent oil. Don't know about the impact to the seals.

Power Steering: Allis has high shear pumps that will foam like crazy if they get a hint of detergent. I'd stick with standard 30W non detergent or, some use hydraulic oil (about 20W) with good success. Motor oil cannot be used in power steering.

Power Director: 20 non detergent- don't know if foaming would be a problem.

Hydraulic: Foaming issue and leaks.

Final drives: I think Allis recommends 90W. I like 85W140. 10W30 (synthetic or not) is totally too light and inadequate.

Belt Pulley: It is lubricated from the hydraulics.

If you should try this experiment, please report back with short and long term results.

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John (MO)

09-27-2007 06:00:52




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 Re: D14 Synthetic oil change in reply to Ohio D14, 09-27-2007 05:57:44  
I suspect you will find leaks all over the tractor if you put in synthetic. Stick to standard lubes.



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