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C Thermostat

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jk

08-31-2007 20:01:19




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my C has no thermostat in it. i found that out the other day when i flushed out the block when the garten hose. DO i need to put one in for it to get up to operating tempature? if so, can i get one at the auto parts, or do i need to get one from Allis, or this site? thanks jk

p.s. would it come with a gasket?




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TyTX

09-01-2007 14:37:57




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 Re: C Thermostat in reply to jk, 08-31-2007 20:01:19  
Are you saying that the thermostat housing is empty or that your C has no place in the upper radiator hose housing to accommodate a thermostat?

My early production B model has no thermostat and never had one. It also has an un-pressurized radiator. When heat problems became evident, Allis Chalmers added a canvas curtain to restrict airflow to the radiator. Later this was replace with shutters and later still they added a redesigned hose cowling to accommodate a thermostat and a pressure cap to the previously unpressurized radiator.

I'm not sure when that all happened to the B but the C had the same engine. If your engine is not the original, you could easily have an earlier model B engine (without a thermostat) on your C model.

Post pictures if you can. The water return tower of the non-thermostat engines is straight while the ones that take a thermostat have a base plate and a large base tower that narrows to the top.

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patsublett

09-01-2007 13:09:47




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 Re: C Thermostat in reply to jk, 08-31-2007 20:01:19  
Yes you need a thermostat. Take the old one to a decent autoparts store. they should be able to match it.



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jk

09-01-2007 14:30:48




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 Re: C Thermostat in reply to patsublett, 09-01-2007 13:09:47  
i don't have an old one. when i took the top hose off i didn't see it in the housing. would it be in the top or some where else? where would it be if not in the top? i found a thermostat at owosso tractor parts. it was like $8.34, and it had a gasket with it.



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TyTX

09-01-2007 14:54:05




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 Re: C Thermostat in reply to jk, 09-01-2007 14:30:48  
third party image

If your engine takes a thermostat, it will fit in the base of the water return tower. The picture is of a first production B with pre-thermostat water return tower and unpressurized radiator. You might also note these first production year B's had no thermometer either. Those old farmers judged things by the sound of their engines and the steam boiling from the radiator.

If your water return tower looks much fatter at the base, it takes a thermostat. AC had to add a baseplate to cover the hole on the block and accommodate a larger tower so a thermostat could be added. There are two bolts on the side of those towers where they bolt to the base plate. That's where the thermostat goes. The path is upper radiator hose from the radiator to the water return tower to the block. The thermostat goes in the base of the tower.

Hope this helps.

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jk

09-01-2007 17:22:36




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 Re: C Thermostat in reply to TyTX, 09-01-2007 14:54:05  
yes this does help. i assumed that i would be able to see it when i took the hose off, but all i could see was the "stem" where the temp gauge goes into the tower. when i flushed the block with the hose, i assmued that thermostat would close from the clod water but it kept flowing out the bottom, where it attached to the radiator. (the engine was not hot when i flushed it, i ran cold water in a cold engine) sso, i guess i really don't know if i have one or need one or what, but when i run it and work it, it never goes above 170, into the green, it stays in the white. any more thoughts? thanks jk

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TyTX

09-01-2007 17:55:01




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 Re: C Thermostat in reply to jk, 09-01-2007 17:22:36  
Just remove the tower off the block. If it has a wide base, there's a thermostat in there... or should be.

If it looks like the picture I posted, don't bother because it has to have a wide base to contain the thermostat. Thermostats were an afterthought with this engine but a good idea.



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jk

09-01-2007 18:52:57




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 Re: C Thermostat in reply to TyTX, 09-01-2007 17:55:01  
i took the base off the block. its the wide water tower, but has no thermostat, but it looks like it should have one. i have some pictures but i do not know how to post them here, if you give me your email, TyTX i can send you some pictures of what my tower looks like inside. as i said before, it looks like it should have one, but i don't know how it would be held in place. i think my tower is extremly detrioated inside.

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jk

09-01-2007 19:15:16




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 Re: C Thermostat in reply to jk, 09-01-2007 18:52:57  
i looked in my allis repair book, the one for models G, B, C, CA, and found out what i'm missing. i SHOULD have a thermostat, but i don't. the spring that holds it in place is gone too. so i need the thermostat, 3 gaskets, and the spring to hold the thermostat in place. thanks for all the help guys.



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bundy

09-21-2007 21:19:32




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 Re: C Thermostat in reply to jk, 09-01-2007 19:15:16  
i have had great luck with my local napa dealer in my small town with finding such parts for my c. i understand agco deals in allis parts.



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TyTX

09-02-2007 23:00:25




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 Re: C Thermostat in reply to jk, 09-01-2007 19:15:16  
Sounds like you have a plan. Strange way to build a thermostat housing but what are you to do when the whole idea was an afterthought?



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jk

09-03-2007 11:38:53




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 Re: C Thermostat in reply to TyTX, 09-02-2007 23:00:25  
true, oh well live and learn



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