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6 cylinder D17 GAS

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spiceman16

08-31-2007 09:12:40




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Just bought a D17 6 cylinder that is gas. Does anybody know anything about these? Was this a standard tractor, or was this a modified tractor? Any info would be great!




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J.C.in AZ.

08-31-2007 21:30:57




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 Re: 6 cylinder D17 GAS in reply to spiceman16, 08-31-2007 09:12:40  
Make a great "Puller" Not OEM but who cares. Very interesting and I'm sure it has a Story to tell.Question I have is how was the increased Hood Length and other Mods made? Sure it's an AC Engine? Sure it's a D 17 ? Early Gleaners used other Motor Mfg.'s for their power.Could it be one of those? As far as Cotton Pickers AC never really got into that part of Agriculture until the D19 [1961-1963] came out. D 19's were used on the 2 row cotton Stripper and were run in reverse. Later AC Cotton Pickers were dedicated machines in that they had a dedicated Chassis and did not use Farm Tractors for a base and Power and never were popular so they were stopped in production. The D 19 used the 262,"6" Cylinder Gas Engine and the Turbo Charged 262 "4" Cylinder Diesel Engine. The Gas Engine D19 had it's Distributor on the Left hand side of the Engine,both Gasoline and LP Gas versions.

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spiceman16

09-05-2007 10:55:10




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 Re: 6 cylinder D17 GAS in reply to J.C.in AZ., 08-31-2007 21:30:57  
We actually were looking to pull it. We put it on the pto dino this summer and it was right at 59-60 hp. We did pull it this summer, but the hand clutch was slipping bad and didn't do so hot. I am wondering if it is the 6 cylinder diesel converted which has a bore and stroke of 3.5625 x 4.375 inches, could we put the standard 4.125 oversized WD45 piston in there and keep the same stroke for tractor pulling purposes? That would give us 351 cubic inches. Which is pretty good sized.

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ANON

09-01-2007 17:50:52




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 Re: 6 cylinder D17 GAS in reply to J.C.in AZ., 08-31-2007 21:30:57  
Sorry, got to jump in here----the D19 diesel was a turbo charged 262 6 cylinder engine--not a 4 cylinder. Engine in this thing could also be a 230 6 cylinder from a combine or somewhere they could have picked up a 273 Buda from a cockshutt and adapted in there. My guess is the diesel went bad and this was a cheaper way out--like the WD45 diesels that got gas engines put in when their engines went bad.

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J.C.in AZ.

09-01-2007 20:26:30




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 Re: 6 cylinder D17 GAS in reply to ANON, 09-01-2007 17:50:52  
Got to jump right back with a note from"C.H.Wendels" Book "Farm Tractor Color History,Allis-Chalmers Tractors" Page 107, I quote: The Allis-Chalmers D19 was built in the 1961-1963 period. Production totaled 11,000 units. :::: A-C built the D19 with a 262 ci. Turbocharged "4 Cyl." Diesel Engine.It also was built in a 262 6Cyl. Gasoline,LP version. From Randy Leffingwell's Book"The American Farm Tractor",Page 73,he states,The D17 Gas was of a "4Cyl." design while the D17 Diesel was a "6 cyl. 262ci. Engine and does not elaborate as to the fact whether it was Turbocharged or not,however every D17 Diesel I have seen was naturally aspirated, and yes Swaps of Gas AC Engines into Diesel Chassis were done as I swapped a WD Engine into a WD45D. Made a good Tractor out of two not so good ones.

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Tradititonal Farmer

09-03-2007 19:14:38




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 Re: 6 cylinder D17 GAS in reply to J.C.in AZ., 09-01-2007 20:26:30  
The book is wrong only 6 cylinder engines were put in D19s whether they were gas or diesels.
The 4 cylinder version of the 262 was the 175 cu inch.



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ANON

09-08-2007 14:30:12




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 Re: 6 cylinder D17 GAS in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 09-03-2007 19:14:38  
Thank you...every D19 I ever saw or drove had 6 cylinder in them. I know books don't always get the facts right. Somewhere I had a picture from AC that had a D17 diesel engine in a WD45 tractor, injector pump run from from cover.....



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Garry from SD

09-01-2007 07:51:41




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 Re: 6 cylinder D17 GAS in reply to J.C.in AZ., 08-31-2007 21:30:57  
My brother was/is looking to convert a D17 diesel into a 6 cylinder gas for pulling. That sounds like what we may have here. If you take the diesel engine out, the 6 cyl. gas fits right in and the hood length is the the same.



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Tramway Guy

08-31-2007 12:24:57




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 Re: 6 cylinder D17 GAS in reply to spiceman16, 08-31-2007 09:12:40  
Weren't some Cotton Picker D-17's built with D19 [6-cylinder] Gas engines????



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spiceman16

08-31-2007 18:59:53




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 Re: 6 cylinder D17 GAS in reply to Tramway Guy, 08-31-2007 12:24:57  
I thought that there were some that were built. I'm thinking it might be one of them. The carb and the ignition are on opposite sides of the block.



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Kent of SWMO

08-31-2007 10:42:56




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 Re: 6 cylinder D17 GAS in reply to spiceman16, 08-31-2007 09:12:40  
I had to check before I posted further. If this 6 cylinder is a combind power unit, The carb and ignition are on opposite sides. The tractor engine has the carb on the left and ignition on the right side. The combind power unit has the carb on the right side and ignition on the left side of the engine.

Kent



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Kent of SWMO

08-31-2007 09:35:09




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 Re: 6 cylinder D17 GAS in reply to spiceman16, 08-31-2007 09:12:40  
Gas butning D-17 were 4 cylinders. I bet someone put a combind power unit in a D-17.

Kent



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El Toro

08-31-2007 09:18:40




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 Re: 6 cylinder D17 GAS in reply to spiceman16, 08-31-2007 09:12:40  
Look at my posting on CTD3's request for info on his D17 just a few postings below yours. Hal



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spiceman16

08-31-2007 09:27:20




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 Re: 6 cylinder D17 GAS in reply to El Toro, 08-31-2007 09:18:40  
The info I'm looking for is if this is a diesel modified or if that was a standard engine type.



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John (MO)

08-31-2007 10:21:57




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 Re: 6 cylinder D17 GAS in reply to spiceman16, 08-31-2007 09:27:20  
We need to see some pictures of the set up and know what the numbers are on the engine block. What we know is, this is not a factory gas tractor. We can guess about it all day but without more information it is all just a guess.



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