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Will Herring

08-26-2007 08:14:40




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I usually put in 87 octane with FS Valve Save (a lead-type additive) in the gas. I've run it for about 300 hours on this concoction, and it's given me no grief what so ever. It runs good, pulls good, and always starts [thanks to a 12 volt conversion, but still need to replace all the lights].
Anyway, is this bad? Should I not bother with the additive, or is it important?

Also, I usually put in Pennzoil 10W-40 (I think) for oil. Is this a good brand/grade?

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Will Herring

09-01-2007 11:13:07




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 Re: Looking for an on-line source for motor oil in reply to Will Herring, 08-26-2007 08:14:40  
I'll check the tractor next time I change the oil for buildup then. The FS Valve Save has made my tractor stop blowing black smoke when it's on a hard pull, which it used to do. And our other WD does it even worse if you don't use it.
Or should we be worried about something else there?



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hd6gtom

08-27-2007 07:32:39




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 Re: Question about gas I use in my WD... in reply to Will Herring, 08-26-2007 08:14:40  
F S valve save is a very good product, one of the best lead additive substitutes on the market. I use Q State motor oil in everything I have gas powered. I never get rid of a vehical under 300000 miles. I have had oil pans off and valve covers off and have never seen any wax build up. Think about it,heat melts wax. The bees wax I deal with every day melts. If there was wax buildup your oil filter would be plugged up after the first running of your engine. I have never replaced engines nor have I ever replaced any internal engine componets.

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Will Herring

08-26-2007 19:17:08




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 Re: Question about gas I use in my WD... in reply to Will Herring, 08-26-2007 08:14:40  
Well now I don't even know what brand to use. I'd prefer not to use one that is gonna wax over all the stuff in the inside of the tractor. I dislike having to tear this thing apart again and again if I can avoid it.



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old

08-26-2007 21:07:33




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 Re: Question about gas I use in my WD... in reply to Will Herring, 08-26-2007 19:17:08  
Wiil. I can tell you this. I have used vavoline now for 30 plus years now and have never had trouble with a build up in any of my engines. I use it in my cars, trucks, and tractors. Have used it and still use it all the time. I have sort of switch to O'reillys brand oil but I did that when I found out that vavoline makes it for O'reillys so its the same oil just in a auto parts store brand bottle. I have opened up a good number if those engines to adjust valves etc. and have nover found much if any build up from the oil in any of them. Big key with any oil is makeing sure the engine gets up to the correct tempature when you run them

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CWL

08-27-2007 04:51:52




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 Re: Question about gas I use in my WD... in reply to old, 08-26-2007 21:07:33  
I started running Valvoline about six years ago. I switched a Ranger with a 2.9 V6 over to it. Before that I was running Quaker State. The first oil change with the Valvoline only lasted about 2k miles before the oil started to break down. When I drained the oil it ran out like water and had a reddish look to it. Almost like tranny fluid. It smelled kind of odd too. I usually like to change the oil at 3K miles because most of my driving is on the highway as I have about a 50 mile commute each way to work every day. On the second oil change I made it to the 3K mile mark, but the oil still had a reddish color to it. Well now I have put close to 100K miles on that motor after switching it over to Valvoline and the oil looks normal when changed at 3K miles. It seems pretty obvious to me that the Valvoline was cutting varnish or something that the the Quaker State was leaving behind. Just for the statistics of it I bought the truck with 106K miles on it. Started with the Valvoline at around 130K and it now has 237K miles. I always use Wix filters. I guess the moral of the story is that Valvoline seems to be a good oil, you just have to be carful when switching to it. Make sure that it isn't breaking down because of all the crap that it might be washing out of the engine.

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Texas Denny

08-26-2007 15:17:12




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 Re: Question about gas I use in my WD... in reply to Will Herring, 08-26-2007 08:14:40  
Will, I used to use Valvoline but I can't find it here in Texas. So I've been using any good grade of motor oil like Havoline, Exxon - name brands. I stay away from Pennzoil and Quaker State for the reasons already given. And I try not to change brands.

I do have a different slant on the multi-viscosity issue. The first number in multi-viscosity oils is the equivalent to the old single viscosity oils at 100 degrees Farenheit. The second number is the weight oil would be if it had the same viscosity as the multi-viscosity oil at 200 degrees Farenheit. To get the same viscosity as a multi-viscosity, you'd need to change oil when the engine temp got over 150 to the higher weight oil. I don't like to call it an additive because it is actually a blend of a number of different refined oils. When they were first introduced, the petroleum engineers had discovered a way to make an oil that had a substantially flatter viscosity curve with engine temperature. The industry decided that they would create the multi-viscosity method of specifying the oil since there was (and is) no interest in eliminating straight weight motor oils.

So, if you purchase 20W50 oil instead of 30W, the oil will have lower viscosity at starting - easier starts especially in freezing weather. The 20W50 has higher viscosity at operating temperature than 30W would have. Actually, the same is true with 10W40. With 10W30, the viscosity will be much lower at starting and equivalent to 30W at a 200 degree operating temperature.

I us 10W40 in my rebuilt engines and 20W50 in all the rest. I only use name brand oil.

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Kent of SWMO

08-26-2007 14:28:56




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 Re: Question about gas I use in my WD... in reply to Will Herring, 08-26-2007 08:14:40  
Back when I worked at an Allis dealer in the Early 70's most of the farmers ran 20W-20 in the Allis. The dealership sold 20W-20 by the barrel.

Kent



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Will Herring

08-26-2007 10:48:33




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 Re: Question about gas I use in my WD... in reply to Will Herring, 08-26-2007 08:14:40  
So I should have no issues running straight 30W oil? If so... I may look into it. But I will definitely switch to the Valvoline brand and give it a shot.



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ktractor

08-26-2007 09:27:52




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 Re: Question about gas I use in my WD... in reply to Will Herring, 08-26-2007 08:14:40  
The gas is fine would recomend finding a better product than the fs valve save u are just wasting your money. I have found that Schaeffer oil has a product called nuetra fuel stabilizer that acts as a lead replacement and a fuel stabilizer. I have used it for many years and am well satisfied with the results. As far as your oil I would recomend a good 30w or if u can't find that go with a 15w40oil for diesel engine.

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Will Herring

08-26-2007 09:24:55




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 Re: Question about gas I use in my WD... in reply to Will Herring, 08-26-2007 08:14:40  
But, I have not had any oil pressure problems, either.



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Will Herring

08-26-2007 09:23:42




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 Re: Question about gas I use in my WD... in reply to Will Herring, 08-26-2007 08:14:40  
Well at the start of next season, I intend to let my tractor run for a bit and then replace the oil. What type of Valvoline do you suggest I use? I've had good luck with the multi-weigh oils. No problems or anything. I don't work the tractor too hard, either. Mostly just driving around pulling a trailer or a rotary hoe, only maybe an hour or so of good pulling in those 300 hours. No plow or anything. I did use a 16' field pullveriser, though, but no issues there either.

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old

08-26-2007 09:58:56




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 Re: Question about gas I use in my WD... in reply to Will Herring, 08-26-2007 09:23:42  
I use the valvoline 30W. Back a few years ago I was using there racing oil but then it got so high I switch to there run of the mill oil. The problem with pennsoil is that they put a wax in there oil and that gums things up real bad. Quaker state does the same thing and has wax in there oil also. Both make a mess of the inside of the engines

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Jimbojim

08-29-2007 21:22:34




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 Looking for an on-line source for motor oil in reply to old, 08-26-2007 09:58:56  
I have been running Quaker State 30W in my diesal Isuzu Pup for about 25 years...it has around 300K total miles, towed boats and trailers over mountains, etc. Love the oil, but I"m finding it is harder to buy. Seems the market is filling up with synthetics and multi-weight blends. Anyone know of some on-line source for that oil and I"ll buy a bunch of cases for the future. An aquaintance has a similar truck that has 600K miles on it.

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J.C.in AZ.

08-26-2007 13:02:07




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 Re: Question about gas I use in my WD... in reply to old, 08-26-2007 09:58:56  
Quacker State and Pennzoil are owned by the same Co. in Texas.Take a look at the Labels. My Ford F350 has 219K Miles of Quacker State 10W40 use early on and now I went to Quacker State 20W50 for about the last 70K because of moving to the High heat Desert of the southwest. I have no issues with Quacker State.My 460 engine has no issues with Quacker State either.In fact it has,since installing a new Cat Converter last winter,more power than I can remember. It is used to Tow my 35' Jayco Designer 5th.Wheel RV Trailer any where we want to go. Regularly goes over Wolf Creek Pass. Loveland Pass ,Monarch Pass and others with out a problem. Pulls 9 Mile Hill out of Albuquerque at 45MPH in 4th all the time . Can't ask an 18 year old truck for much more than that. It does have a F/N Air Ram system and now a 3" Exhaust from the Cat Outlet to the back,all fabbed in my shop.

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old

08-26-2007 13:59:52




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 Re: Question about gas I use in my WD... in reply to J.C.in AZ., 08-26-2007 13:02:07  
Did I say either one would hurt an engine????? ? Nope I didn't I just said it would cause a build up of sludge/wax on the inside of the engine. Thats one reason why quarker state at one time had a thing about never having problems if you used there oil all that wax fills in gaps etc. I did say I wouldn't run it but I never said its a bad oil

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J.C.in AZ.

08-29-2007 12:47:28




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 Re: Question about gas I use in my WD... in reply to old, 08-26-2007 13:59:52  
Never said you intimated any thing about any thing .I am just expressing my personal observations. O.K. JEEZ but people are easy to rile when I speak!



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old

08-26-2007 09:11:51




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 Re: Question about gas I use in my WD... in reply to Will Herring, 08-26-2007 08:14:40  
All that lead additive is, is snake oil it doesn't do a thing for the engine and it doesn't even have lead in it. As far as the pennzoil my self I wouldn't run it but I have opened up a good many engine that it has been run in and every thing is covered in sludge. My self I use valvoline in every thing I own and any of them that I have opened up where nice and clean inside. I also don't use muti weight oils because they can cause low oil pressure on an old engine. A 10W-40 oil is really a 10W oil with an additive that makes it act like a 40W when hot but in the long run its still just a 10W oil. In most of my tractors I use 30W all year round and have for 30 plus years with zero problems

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El Toro

08-26-2007 14:04:26




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 Re: Question about gas I use in my WD... in reply to old, 08-26-2007 09:11:51  
My co-worker used Valvoline and he lost his oil pressure and it was from his oil pump from being gummed up. We installed a new pump. I think one of the things that contributed to this was his short runs. You need to work those engines. Hal



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old

08-26-2007 14:13:06




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 Re: Question about gas I use in my WD... in reply to El Toro, 08-26-2007 14:04:26  
Yep on all engines if you don't get them warmed up like they should be it will not matter what oil you use because they will get condensation in the oil and that will really cause problems in the long run. Desn't matter what oil you use if you don't get it warm enough or run and engine enough all oils will brake down and cause problems. Of course thats a lot of other things that come in to play also like carb set to rich, not running an engine long enough. Running and engine way to hot etc. etc.

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El Toro

08-26-2007 14:24:14




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 Re: Question about gas I use in my WD... in reply to old, 08-26-2007 14:13:06  
Another one of my co-workers used Valvoline and he never had a problem since he was traveling about 30 miles to work and he always put the pedal down. He was involved in oval track racing
back then too. He's in late 80's and has a farm.
He had to quit driving due to his eyesight and he just bought a new Lincoln. Hal



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mark

08-26-2007 11:33:05




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 Re: Question about gas I use in my WD... in reply to old, 08-26-2007 09:11:51  
Hmmm.

Interesting observations old. Funny how folks from different parts of the country swear by OR swear at certain brands of oils and such.

Take Valvoline for example. The Ashland Oil refinery is located right here. Ashland owns Valvoline and the locals wouldn't run Valvoline in their lawnmowers, let alone cars....for the exact same reason you complain about Pennzoil and Quaker State!

Furthermore, Valvoline wasn't/isn't produced at this refinery, but down in Texas....didn't matter to the locals....they cursed it.

I have seen engines opened up that had ran nothing but Valvoline and the innards were covered with that waxy goo you speak of. I've seen it with QS and Pennzoil too. It is caused by stop and go driving, where the engines never reach full operating temps which keeps all that stuff in suspension. It can lead to plugging the oil returns...but I have never known any engines that had that happen. Usually a valve cover would be leaking and when it was removed to replace the gasket..that was when you saw the gunk for the first time....but it had never caused any mechanical trouble.

And as for oil weight.....I run synthetic 0-40w in my machinery and vehicles. works great.

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