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AC W Speed Patrol replacment engine

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NE IA Dave

07-19-2007 20:27:34




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The old W Speed Patrol engine started a couple extra ventalation holes in the block. Way beyond repair. My question is should I put in a WD or a WD45 motor if I find one for sale. My gut feeling is to keep it original, but would be tempted to toss in a WD or WD 45 if I find a good deal.

I'm probably going to find a WC and junk it out for the motor. I can't justify much money as it sits alot, but is sure appreciated when I do need it.

Something to think about especialy if you stand near a tractor pull! I was running wide open down the sholder of a hwy when without any warrning it tossed her cookies, at least a 5" hole on the right side and probably 4 inch on the left side. Now when those tractors come screaming down the track and you just get a little to close--well you know what I'm a thinking.

Besides when it took the right side of the block it pushed the pan and chunk of block into the steering knuckle so hard I could not turn it at all. It wasn't so much as a close call as the sholders of the hwy are very wide. But then there are times that it could have been a bad deal.

I'm not into E-bay, and freight cost are a real big expense, but anyone got a ball park idea what just a motor--assuming a no oil burner would go for. Yea, I get upset when I read these type of questions too, but now I'm on the other end of the stick so it doesn't seem like such a stupid question at the moment at least.

I also realize that just because years ago we bought these old tractors for less than a gallon of good paint costs now days, it seems hard to keep up with repairs let alone justify it to the wife--bless her litle heart. Now I finaly understand grandpas thought process alot better than I did as a child. Thanks in advance

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NE IA Dave

07-20-2007 22:01:10




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 Re: Thanks to everyone in reply to NE IA Dave, 07-19-2007 20:27:34  
Pretty neat to ask a question and get such fast answers. I sure would have overlooked some of the options. So thanks for now.

I just love the W and the job it does. Mine is usualy used around construction jobs and landscaping. It is actualy very easy to operate with all the hand operated controls. A little time and learning that it is not a HD-16. After a while you just know what to do ahead of time, and the sound and feel is very important. I guess cutting hard packed gravel is pretty much a job for the bigger boys. I've had mine since 78 or 79. Golly was my wife upset. Granted they many times have good reason---but she had just returned from a two week vacation for herself and spend the same as my W plus about $1,500.00. The W is still here an she aint, so I guess I'm the winner for sure?

It's kind of fummy that since the death of the W, I have got four calls on assisting me to find a new motor. The hidden part is that three of the four were laughing the first time it rolled into their yard years ago. Now it's golly you got to get her going again as it just does such a nice job etc.

Has anyone seen one with a scarfire on it? The parts book shows them in different sizes. I can't imagine changing them back and forth, but sure would make a good excuse to buy one that had one on.

I actualy would be interested in a actual WC patrol---like pictured in Chucks big AC book. But I have never seen one, and they probably did not do a good job. And you all know how important it is to be the only one on the block with a certian toy.

Another one that I would die for is the B version like I seen at Hutchison MN show one year. I kind of think the chicks would just have to dig it, if I couldn't come up with a better excuse to buy one. However that one was worth more than my hide is worth.

Thanks again you are all so kind. NE IA Dave

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JMS/MN

07-20-2007 09:34:08




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 Re: AC W Speed Patrol replacment engine in reply to NE IA Dave, 07-19-2007 20:27:34  
In addition to what old said- you could also bolt in a D17 or Gleaner Model E combine engine. That's about a 60 year span of engines- plenty of them around.



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JMS/MN

07-21-2007 08:56:46




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 Re: AC W Speed Patrol replacment engine in reply to JMS/MN, 07-20-2007 09:34:08  
Flunked Math 101- more like a 30 some year span.



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old

07-19-2007 20:47:09




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 Re: AC W Speed Patrol replacment engine in reply to NE IA Dave, 07-19-2007 20:27:34  
Back up a little. A WC and WD engines are one in the same so you can go with either because they are the same engine just in different model tractors. My self when I fixed up my WC speed patrol I went with the WC/WD engine it had a WD45 engine in it which is different then the WC/WD engine. The WC speed patrol is a neat piece of equipment and I use the one I have a lot but I also have a mile long drive way

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CWL

07-20-2007 08:15:12




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 Re: AC W Speed Patrol replacment engine in reply to old, 07-19-2007 20:47:09  
Sorry to butt in, but I have a quick question. Were Speed Patrols a factory product or a conversion? I have seen a couple of them and the are really neat. I would like to have one to play with one of these days. I also have a long drive and it would be handy working on waterways.



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old

07-20-2007 08:29:29




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 Re: AC W Speed Patrol replacment engine in reply to CWL, 07-20-2007 08:15:12  
Made by allis, not like the after market ones that where put on the Farmalls. What they did was cut the front end on a WC tractor and added some to the frame and then put on a wide front end and all the parts for the blade. To run it you almost have to have 4 arms since it only has one foot control but it has a lot of hand controls. You have hand brakes, hand wheels to raise and lower the blade, steering and shifting so you do have your hand full when you are useing one. Been useing the one I have for about 15 years now. You can see pictures of it in my web page

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CWL

07-20-2007 12:00:43




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 Re: AC W Speed Patrol replacment engine in reply to old, 07-20-2007 08:29:29  
I saw one at the Gas and Steam engine show in Winfield, Ks. one year. It had been reworked to use hydraulic controls for the blade. I didn't look at it that close though.



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07-20-2007 14:34:44




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 Re: AC W Speed Patrol replacment engine in reply to CWL, 07-20-2007 12:00:43  
Do you live close to winfield?? I lived there back when I was 4-10 years old, been a long time ago. My dad taught at ST. Johns college



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