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Jack a

07-16-2007 04:48:17




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The torque spec you found for the WD45 was measured at the belt pulley and does not give the true engine torque. The belt pulley is geared down from engine rpm. The torque from the WD45 at 288 ft lbs at the belt pulley vs the SM at the belt pulley with well over 300 ft lbs (don't remember figure) doesn't measure engine to engine though. The SM belt pulley is geared much lower. The best way to compare is field performance. IMHO the 45 will outperform the SM in the field. I thought you were looking at a D17.

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arthur ward

07-16-2007 08:57:32




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 Re: Hey Arthur Ward in reply to Jack a, 07-16-2007 04:48:17  
thanks jack
i currently am trying to learn about these allis tractors, as much as possible. reason being is once i get interested i have to know alot about them. that way if and when i run across them i have some sort of reference instead of looking like an idiot. probably still will though,lol.
anyway, with hp and torque ratings and all the jibberish that is sometimes available i do agree that when all the leaves fall off the tree one will be able to tell in the field. i was looking at d-17 info. however, i think the wd or wd 45 would be a fine tractor to use.
currently i have an original 49 8n with fresh motor. this tractor does everything i want it to do. i however, would like to continue with my new hobby and purchase another. i want an ally.
i NEED something with 3 point. i would like to be able to use my dearborn plow with the ally also and i know the wd will pull it since the 8n does. the older tractors are much more attractive to me but i don't want to get anything with less h.p. or torque than my 8n.
thanks for that info.

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John (MO)

07-16-2007 10:00:50




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 Re: Hey Arthur Ward in reply to arthur ward, 07-16-2007 08:57:32  
Arthur, 2 and 3 bottom snap coupler plows are often found for less than $100. They are so much better that a 3 point plow that it not even fair. I know there is a lot of equipment that you need to convert an AC to 3 point to be able to use, but a plow should not be one of them. PLEASE try a snap coupler plow with the traction boost system working properly. You will not want to ever go back to a 3 point plow.

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arthur ward

07-16-2007 22:09:14




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 Re: Hey Arthur Ward in reply to John (MO), 07-16-2007 10:00:50  
john, the problem is that there are not alot of allis chalmers locally in east central wisconsin. funny since they were made in west allis. more of IH and deere country.
i wouldn't even know where to look for coupler plows. why are snap couplers so much more to the liking than 3 point?



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Jack a

07-17-2007 03:43:57




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 Re: Hey Arthur Ward in reply to arthur ward, 07-16-2007 22:09:14  
Nearly anywhere else in WI should have those plows lying around. Put an add in the paper and see what happens. The reason the snap-coupler does so well is that it pulls from the center of the tractor ahead of the rear axle and only from one point. This helps keep the plow in a natural draft line and also keeps the frontend down better. The 3-point pulls from two spots on each side of center which causes the two points to fight against each other. Also Allis senses draft from the pull point under the tractor which provides the best traction booster control while the 8n sensed at the top link of the 3-point. Not nearly as effective.

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Jack a

07-17-2007 03:31:44




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 Re: Hey Arthur Ward in reply to arthur ward, 07-16-2007 22:09:14  
Nearly anywhere else in WI should have those plows lying around. Put an add in the paper and see what happens. The reason the snap-coupler does so well is that it pulls from the center of the tractor ahead of the rear axle and only from one point. This helps keep the plow in a natural draft line and also keeps the frontend down better. The 3-point pulls from two spots on each side of center which causes the two points to fight against each other. Also Allis senses draft from the pull point under the tractor which provides the best traction booster control while the 8n sensed at the top link of the 3-point. Not nearly as effective.

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arthur ward

07-17-2007 07:41:54




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 Re: Hey Arthur Ward in reply to Jack a, 07-17-2007 03:31:44  
i see. that is interesting. now the cat is out of the bag(information)and i have to investigate.

would love to find a ally wd or 45 around here with a wide front. i'm not much for tricycle wheels.

maybe ill post an ad.
thanks all



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John (MO)

07-17-2007 08:34:26




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 Re: Hey Arthur Ward in reply to arthur ward, 07-17-2007 07:41:54  
Jack is SO correct and explained it well. AC equipment should not be very far away from anyone in the upper midwest, just takes a little looking. Ask on the allischalmers dot com website also. Don't pass over a GOOD narrow front tractor, you can swap to wide very easily down the road if you still feel the need.



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