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different allis question regarding 3 pt.

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arthur ward

07-13-2007 08:38:34




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wd, wd45, d14 and d17.
regarding these tractors, which if any had a factory 3 pt lift. if they didn't, are there aftermarket setups and what is a general cost?
i kind of like the wd45, it has the same motor as the wd but 11 more h.p.
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Aaron SEIA

07-13-2007 14:10:33




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 Re: different allis question regarding 3 pt. in reply to arthur ward, 07-13-2007 08:38:34  
None of them accept the D 17 series 4 came with a 3 pt. All can have one put on pretty easily. Cost is between $200 and $400 depending on what you get. I've seen them on eBay lately selling on the cheap side. Get the one that bolts to the drawbar, that will let you retain the traction booster features as well as let you use PTO equipment.
Aaron SEIA



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John (MO)

07-13-2007 12:25:10




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 Re: different allis question regarding 3 pt. in reply to arthur ward, 07-13-2007 08:38:34  
Series 4 D-17's could be bought new with either the snap coupler system or a 3 point hitch. Good 3 point conversions, that are well engineered, factory built and that allow you to switch back and forth between 3 point and snap coupler implements cost around $300. You can maybe build one cheaper, but if you don't get the geometry correct it will not pick things up and carry them correctly and will be a headache on a daily basis. D-17 and WD45 are basically the same engine. D-17 spun a little faster to raise the HP rating a little bit if I`m not mistaken.

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ohio

07-13-2007 13:55:13




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 Re: different allis question regarding 3 pt. in reply to John (MO), 07-13-2007 12:25:10  
d17 motor has bigger main & rod bearings, better oiling sytem.



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old

07-13-2007 08:54:47




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 Re: different allis question regarding 3 pt. in reply to arthur ward, 07-13-2007 08:38:34  
Sorry but the WD and WD45 have differennt engines. If you look at a WD on the right side of the engine it has a bolt on plate and the WD45 does not have that plate. The WD45 uses a long stroke so its a bigger engine. As far as 3 point the WD, and WD45 did not come out with 3 point and I know all the D-17s I have had didn't have them either. Can't say on the D-14. Right now I have a WD45 and a D-17 with 3 point and they are for sale

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ohio

07-14-2007 06:43:31




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 Re: different allis question regarding 3 pt. in reply to old, 07-13-2007 08:54:47  
overall architecture of the engines are the same, with periodic refinments over its service life. much like we credit the nippons (filter won't accept j@ps) for originating, only allis started in '32 with the 201"!



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CWL

07-13-2007 10:26:42




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 Re: different allis question regarding 3 pt. in reply to old, 07-13-2007 08:54:47  
Old. I think some of the late D-17 models had a factory 3-point option. Series IV maybe??? Not positive though. I built a 3-point for my WD and they are easy enough to do. Of coarse I'm sure you've built several yourself.



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old

07-13-2007 11:37:36




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 Re: different allis question regarding 3 pt. in reply to CWL, 07-13-2007 10:26:42  
Yep I have built 3 points for Olivers, Allis's and a few other brands. Each work ok but some better then others. I even built one for my C and also a front lift for the C



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Smith1000

07-15-2007 05:00:39




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 Re: different allis question regarding 3 pt. in reply to old, 07-13-2007 11:37:36  
I bought a real nice restored Super C about a year ago. Haven"t done much with it yet, but would like to put a 3 pt. on it and, possibly, a wide front end at some point. How does your 3 pt raise? Also, what type of front lift did you put on the C?



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old

07-15-2007 09:49:23




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 Re: different allis question regarding 3 pt. in reply to Smith1000, 07-15-2007 05:00:39  
Does that super C have the fast hitch lift?? If it does its easy to turn that into a 3 point set up. I just did it to a 340 a couple weeks ago. The front lift is a copy of a factory lift made for the B/C allises



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Smith1000

07-16-2007 04:15:50




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 Re: different allis question regarding 3 pt. in reply to old, 07-15-2007 09:49:23  
No, it sure doesn"t have the 2 pt quick hitch-just the drawbar. There is a guy who sells 3 pts for it on-line. It raises with bars attached to the side arms. I"ll probably put one of those on it.

I bet that front lift comes in handy. I need to figure out something to load large round bales on this Allis D17 or the SMTA. I can move them with the bale spear, but would like to be able to load them easier.

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old

07-16-2007 07:54:25




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 Re: different allis question regarding 3 pt. in reply to Smith1000, 07-16-2007 04:15:50  
This front lift would not work for that. First off its very limited to what it will lift and 2nd it will only lift about 2-3 feet so again not good for that



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arthur ward

07-13-2007 08:53:34




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 Re: different allis question regarding 3 pt. in reply to arthur ward, 07-13-2007 08:38:34  
scratch that...i meant the d17 and wd45 have the same motor but the d17 has more h.p.



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JMS/MN

07-13-2007 13:09:37




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 Re: different allis question regarding 3 pt. in reply to arthur ward, 07-13-2007 08:53:34  
Both are 226 cu in, but the D17 is governed at a higher speed.



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