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D17 and Round Baler?

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Smith1000

06-23-2007 07:04:02




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Does anyone know if a D17 would run a Hesston 5500 round baler that makes 5X5 bales? From what I have read, the PTO power needed for hay is 27 HP. For straw, it needs 43 HP. They are small rounds that weigh between 800-1000 lbs. Would it be working the D17 too hard?

How about a Super MTA? Would it run this baler?

Thanks.




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Bret4207

07-01-2007 05:11:58




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 Re: D17 and Round Baler? in reply to Smith1000, 06-23-2007 07:04:02  
I run a 5500 with either a Cockshutt 30 (slow in low range) or a Ford 800. With either one you don't make a max sized bale. It's just too much for the 30 and 45 hp respectively. The 5500 make a decent bale.Stay away from any hay that isn't DRY! It will not handle damp hay. Sucker is heavy empty and real heavy with 1000 lbs of hay in it. Grease what fittings you can find and get a couple extra bearings. Most are one of two sizes and easy to change out. The hydraulics are pretty light duty on the baler, so you don't need huge pressure or flow.

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old

06-23-2007 08:22:36




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 Re: D17 and Round Baler? in reply to Smith1000, 06-23-2007 07:04:02  
Well I haven't done it but the AGCO dealer says he bales hay with a NH850 and pulls it behind his D-17. The NH850 makes the big 6X6 bales. As far as what Will says the D-17 does have live power it just doesn't work as well as some other brands of live PTO. To use the live PTO you put the power director in nutrel and yes it tries to creep on you

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Smith1000

06-23-2007 15:08:09




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 Re: D17 and Round Baler? in reply to old, 06-23-2007 08:22:36  
This one will make 5X5 bales, but it can be adjusted for smaller which I probably will do. it is in great shape. The MTA will pick up the large 15-2000 bales, but it is a struggle for it. These will be more managable.

My buddy to the east who is 91 years old only wants square bales. It has been harder and harder to find someone to cut squares around here and it is more costly than ever. Have a guy lined up, but it may fall through. The crew may not hold out. If that happens, we"ll be ready to cut some squares on our own in his hay pasture. I will do all of mine in rounds if this baler works out okay. There is a lot of money in hay between gas and fertilizer, but there was such a shortage around here this past season, it was going high and still is fairly high. May not be worth much this year. Never know for sure.

I noticed the live power in the center position on the handle. It does slow down quite a bit.

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william myers

06-23-2007 10:33:42




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 Re: D17 and Round Baler? in reply to old, 06-23-2007 08:22:36  
Old, i didnt say the d17 didnt have live pto, i was talking about the super mta not having live pto, i didnt realize it had live pto.. Friend of mine has 1 an it doesnt...



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old

06-23-2007 11:21:33




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 Re: D17 and Round Baler? in reply to william myers, 06-23-2007 10:33:42  
Ya I went back and looked. I miss read what you had said. Sorry about that



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william myers

06-23-2007 07:57:10




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 Re: D17 and Round Baler? in reply to Smith1000, 06-23-2007 07:04:02  
I use my d17 with a new holland baler of simliar size as ur`s, it easly handles the baler.. Super mta, plenty big enough, but no live power...



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Smith1000

06-23-2007 08:05:10




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 Re: D17 and Round Baler? in reply to william myers, 06-23-2007 07:57:10  
Thanks. I thought it would be. I knew they couldn"t handle the larger balers unless the bales were very small. Some of the larger balers require 90 hp I have read.

My Super MTA has live power. I guess they only put live power on them during 1 year, 1954, from what I heard. It has live power, live hydraulics and char-lynn power-steering which works great.

This Hesston baler has an electric tie which I guess is a plus. Thanks again.

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A-C hayman

06-23-2007 09:20:43




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 Re: D17 and Round Baler? in reply to Smith1000, 06-23-2007 08:05:10  
We used to run a hesston 5800 5x6 baler with an allis 170 which is mechanically the same as a D-17 series 4. Most round balers require double acting hydraulics, meaning there is an up hose and a down hose. D-17 series 1-3 don't have that, but if yours does it should do fine. It takes a little getting used to using the power director for baling, but I prefer it now.



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Smith1000

06-23-2007 14:55:44




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 Re: D17 and Round Baler? in reply to A-C hayman, 06-23-2007 09:20:43  
I bought the Hesston 5500 baler. I"ll pick it up early in the morning when there is no traffic. It is in very good working condition and has never been stored outside. The people I bought it from are great and seemed to have taken real good care of it.

I believe the remote hookup on the M has 2-way hydraulics, but like you said, the D17 does not. Just flipped through the book and it needs 2-way hydraulics to open and close the gate.

Is there a way I could put a splitter on it to run the gate? or what do I need to add to make the D17 functional? It has a single hook-up with a knob or dial under where the coupler is.

Just came in from working on the sickle bar mower. Have all the teeth on it and the wheel has rusted and split. It needs a new hydraulic line too. I"ll then work on the old square baler. Thanks.

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A-C hayman

06-23-2007 17:14:24




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 Re: D17 and Round Baler? in reply to Smith1000, 06-23-2007 14:55:44  
There was a post a while back about adding two way hydraulics to a WD I think. You might try to look it up. I think You need to tun from your remote coupler to a two way valve, but you also need a return line from the two way valve back to the transmission. It couldn't be done with just a splitter, because there has to be a way for oil to get back to the transmission from the back side of the cylinder piston. I'll bet you can find the old post by searching for "wd two way hydraulics". It was explained a lot clearer than I am explaining it now.

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Smith1000

06-24-2007 03:45:00




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 Re: D17 and Round Baler? in reply to A-C hayman, 06-23-2007 17:14:24  
Thanks. Found the articles. Read through them and I can do it. Doesn"t look too bad. There is an excellent article with photos from someone--Jerry in MO. There is one thing I don"t quite understand, but I"ll figure it out later. Need a lot of hose, fittings and the set of valves.

Essentially, you re-route the hydraulics to flow in a loop through the valves (input/return). Return re-enters through hydraulic drain plug in the bottom of the tractor. The fluid flows in a circle until one of the valves is operated. Single acting ports have 1 line. The double acting port has 2 lines (input/return). It returns to the set of valves. The valve set returns to the hydraulic pump.

To run the valves, keep the shift lever in raised position (keeps fluid moving in circle through valve set).

One posting indicated AC has a high pressure (3000 psi)-low volume system which will work, but it will be slow. The cylinder needs to handle that high pressure or have a "bleed off" to handle the excess pressur. Not sure if the cyl on the baler will that pressure at this point. That may be a problem. It said the standard is low pressure, high volume.

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A-C hayman

06-25-2007 19:40:23




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 Re: D17 and Round Baler? in reply to Smith1000, 06-24-2007 03:45:00  
I've ran the standard sized cylinders on my wd that has the same system and never had problems.



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