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BC mower pitman length? - questions for Rod(NH) or old

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Loren P

06-19-2007 12:54:51




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I'm putting a new pitman stick on my BC mower (mounted on an Allis C,) and need to know the length of the wood. I bought a universal type hardwood pitman stick at TSC, and need to cut it to length and drill the end holes. Should I use 1/4" bolts to attach the steel straps at each end of the stick? Does the larger bolt (carriage bolt) go thru the wood, or just the smaller bolts?

The mower had a shorter stick extended with some poorly welded angle iron when I bought the mower last year, and that lasted about one pass around the field. It was missing the correct pitman straps for the bearing end, so I set it aside and used the MF swather for last summer's hay. I now have the correct staps, so I'm going to try again this summer. Thanks to Old for sending me the pdf of the manual for the mower last year, that's been a great help.

I'm working on setting up a hydraulic lift on the mower, just like Rod(NH) shows on his website. Great work Rod, your drawings and pictures are awesome! Will the same linkage work on a C, or do I need to make some modifications? I found a small Allis hydraulic cyl., and the pump on the tractor seems to work. The cylinder extends, but doesn't retract until I unscrew the hose connection, so the pump isn't releasing pressure. I'm removing the pump to clean it up and flush it out, and I'm replacing the oil with new hy-tran and flushing with solvent too. Any other suggestions or tips for the hydraulic lift?

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old

06-19-2007 18:47:00




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 Re: BC mower pitman length? - questions for Rod(NH) or old in reply to Loren P, 06-19-2007 12:54:51  
I would have to go out and measure it to be sure as to how long the one is on my mower Drop me an e-mail to remind me and I'll do that



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Rod (NH)

06-19-2007 16:09:08




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 Re: BC mower pitman length? - questions for Rod(NH) or old in reply to Loren P, 06-19-2007 12:54:51  
Hi Loren,

I'd give you my pitman stick length but it might not be the same as you need. There were apparently two different cutter bar supports used on the B/C mowers. When I had to replace mine, the replacement moved the cutter bar out about 2 inches, necessitating a longer pitman stick. Anyway, here's how you can determine the length you need:

Position the knife in the cutter bar as shown here. Then rotate the drive pulley such that the pitman bearing is at the outermost point. Then measure for the necessary pitman stick length. That will provide the necessary knife register as shown here.

Yes, use 1/4" diameter bolts to attach the straps to the stick, except for one larger (I think it's 5/16") bolt at the drive end straps (through the wood). There's also a larger adjusting bolt (I think 3/8") for the tightness of the drive end straps to the pitman bearing housing. That's in addition to the larger carriage bolt (not through the wood) at the driven end straps that controls the tightness to the knife drive ball. I would recommend using elastic stop nuts throughout. Since the locking strap used to lock the carriage bolt special nut finally wore beyond use on my mower, I used a double nut arrangement in addition to an elastic stop nut as shown here.

The original pitman stick had cross rivits at each end of the stick to help prvent splitting and pull-out from the straps. I used #10 machine screws instead as shown here and here.

I can't think of any reason why the lift I made wouldn't work just as well on a C. The dimensions should be the same. I love mine. I should have done it a long time ago. Much easier on the old right arm.

The cylinder will not retract by itself w/o a weight (or force) forcing it to with the control in the down position - but perhaps you already know that. If it still doesn't retract, then it probably is something internal to the pump itself. Before taking the pump apart, I strongly recommend you have the official AC B/C service manual. It's the only source that gives you the needed information. If you don't have a copy, email me and I'll send you the appropriate pages.

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Loren P

06-20-2007 07:06:14




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 Re: BC mower pitman length? - questions for Rod(NH) or old in reply to Rod (NH), 06-19-2007 16:09:08  
Thanks for the detailed info.; it's very helpful. The hydraulic oil in the tractor looked like heavier oil than hy-tran and was milky color, like it had water in it, so I flushed it twice with solvent and wiped out as much particles as possible when I had the pump off. I flushed the pump with solvent last night, working the plungers by hand to pump solvent thru, and I primed it with oil before installing. I'm going to start working on the lift linkage tonight. I think the B style linkage will work on the C OK; seems better than running the linkage above the axle like what the manual shows for the C.

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old

06-20-2007 07:21:15




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 Re: BC mower pitman length? - questions for Rod(NH) or old in reply to Loren P, 06-20-2007 07:06:14  
When I was setting up my mower I used a WD cylinder on it and moved where the cylinder mounted because of that reason. Plus the cylinders I had for the C leaked and I had the WD cylinder laying around any how. It seems to do a better job of lifting it with that WD cylinder also



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steve(ill)

06-19-2007 15:24:33




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 Re: BC mower pitman length? - questions for Rod(NH) or old in reply to Loren P, 06-19-2007 12:54:51  
just made a couple wood bars last night. mine are 32-1/4 inch long from center to center after the ends are bolted on. i used 29 inch long wood. the 1/4 inch bolts are 2-1/2 inch long. the 3/8 bolt on end has a selastic nut and snug to keep clearance to a minimum. dont go thru the wood.



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patsublett

06-20-2007 18:53:02




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 Re: BC mower pitman length? - questions for Rod(NH) or old in reply to steve(ill), 06-19-2007 15:24:33  
I just bought a pitman wood at tractor supply that fit my BC mower. The tag on it said BWC. The tag is still on it if you need the number.



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